No night bus for Carshalton and Wallington

MP Tom Brake with night bus campaigners

MP Tom Brake with night bus campaigners

First published in News Your Local Guardian: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter

Hopes of getting a night bus in Carshaton and Wallington have been quashed after Transport for London branded the service not worthwhile.

The area has been without a night bus since 2009 when the N213 was axed. More than 5,000 people have signed a petition calling for a night bus linking Sutton and Croydon and it was hoped a review of the 154 service would result in its hours being extended.

But, in an email seen by the Guardian, TfL has dismissed the idea. Carshalton and Wallington MP Tom Brake, who has campaigned for the reinstatement of a night service for revellers and night workers, said the decision is extremely disappointing.

The email from TfL to Tom Brake says: "A later service and a full night service on the route were both tested and found to be not worthwhile using a full cost-to-benefit appraisal process."

It says the route will be reviewed again in 2014.

Mr Brake said: "This is desperately disappointing, 5000 people signed the petition calling on Boris Johnson to reintroduce the night bus, but time after time Boris has failed to listen to the needs of local people. The Mayor needs to cater for the needs of all of London not just inner London."

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2:22pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Michael Pantlin says...

I don't understand how TfL tested the service without actually running the bus.
Can anyone explain it?
I don't understand how TfL tested the service without actually running the bus. Can anyone explain it? Michael Pantlin
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7:37pm Thu 20 Dec 12

ResidentTony says...

Disappointing but not entirely unexpected. People in outer London are not vociferous enough in fighting their corner. Places like Sutton need to put themselves squarely on the London map. Then goodies like night buses will start being bestowed on us a lot more. "Time Out in London" for instance does not appear to have heard of Sutton - we need to put that right. Take one example - we have two theatres in the borough; "Time Out" lists performances at theatres throughout London; does it include our two? - I doubt it. This sort of thing is irritating and needs to change.

As we are also in Surrey, at least as far as Royal Mail is concerned, we could, if we played our cards right, get the best of both worlds. Right now we seem to get the worst of both worlds. This could easily be changed if we were more proactive.
Disappointing but not entirely unexpected. People in outer London are not vociferous enough in fighting their corner. Places like Sutton need to put themselves squarely on the London map. Then goodies like night buses will start being bestowed on us a lot more. "Time Out in London" for instance does not appear to have heard of Sutton - we need to put that right. Take one example - we have two theatres in the borough; "Time Out" lists performances at theatres throughout London; does it include our two? - I doubt it. This sort of thing is irritating and needs to change. As we are also in Surrey, at least as far as Royal Mail is concerned, we could, if we played our cards right, get the best of both worlds. Right now we seem to get the worst of both worlds. This could easily be changed if we were more proactive. ResidentTony
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10:22am Sat 22 Dec 12

Giles C says...

ResidentTony wrote:
Disappointing but not entirely unexpected. People in outer London are not vociferous enough in fighting their corner. Places like Sutton need to put themselves squarely on the London map. Then goodies like night buses will start being bestowed on us a lot more. "Time Out in London" for instance does not appear to have heard of Sutton - we need to put that right. Take one example - we have two theatres in the borough; "Time Out" lists performances at theatres throughout London; does it include our two? - I doubt it. This sort of thing is irritating and needs to change.

As we are also in Surrey, at least as far as Royal Mail is concerned, we could, if we played our cards right, get the best of both worlds. Right now we seem to get the worst of both worlds. This could easily be changed if we were more proactive.
Well the Current administration and MPs obviously have no or little influence. I'm afraid to say that will not change all the time the "yellow peril" are in charge.
[quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: Disappointing but not entirely unexpected. People in outer London are not vociferous enough in fighting their corner. Places like Sutton need to put themselves squarely on the London map. Then goodies like night buses will start being bestowed on us a lot more. "Time Out in London" for instance does not appear to have heard of Sutton - we need to put that right. Take one example - we have two theatres in the borough; "Time Out" lists performances at theatres throughout London; does it include our two? - I doubt it. This sort of thing is irritating and needs to change. As we are also in Surrey, at least as far as Royal Mail is concerned, we could, if we played our cards right, get the best of both worlds. Right now we seem to get the worst of both worlds. This could easily be changed if we were more proactive.[/p][/quote]Well the Current administration and MPs obviously have no or little influence. I'm afraid to say that will not change all the time the "yellow peril" are in charge. Giles C
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11:18am Sat 22 Dec 12

Michael Pantlin says...

Bus route 213 contract is under review with comments invited to TfL on email address
STEngagement@tfl.gov
.uk;
so those interested could comment they want it extended back to Croydon over night.
Bus route 213 contract is under review with comments invited to TfL on email address STEngagement@tfl.gov .uk; so those interested could comment they want it extended back to Croydon over night. Michael Pantlin
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1:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

ResidentTony says...

Sorry, my comment below is not specifically about the bus. Rather it is
regarding Giles C's comments on my earlier comments. I don't think this is down to political colour. I think it is about a general perception (which is gradually changing) that outer London somehow does not count as part of the city. Anyone can lobby "Time Out" on this - the council does not NECESSARILY need to do it all. Further, red or blue rather than yellow rosettes won't of themselves change anything. A certain blue party put forward the idea of big society, with citizens doing more for themselves - so lets all do our bit to put Sutton on the map!
Sorry, my comment below is not specifically about the bus. Rather it is regarding Giles C's comments on my earlier comments. I don't think this is down to political colour. I think it is about a general perception (which is gradually changing) that outer London somehow does not count as part of the city. Anyone can lobby "Time Out" on this - the council does not NECESSARILY need to do it all. Further, red or blue rather than yellow rosettes won't of themselves change anything. A certain blue party put forward the idea of big society, with citizens doing more for themselves - so lets all do our bit to put Sutton on the map! ResidentTony
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11:49pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Daniel Dunican says...

One thing i cannot get is how a busy night service was scrapped just like that. Also the same night the N213 was lost the (N)65 was extended to Chessington. So TFL extend random routes to the middle of no ware and scrap a busy main one between 3 centers. What is that all about. Every Saturday I was on it only 25% of the time would I get a seat coming out of Croydon. Don't make sense to me how there is no demard for it.
One thing i cannot get is how a busy night service was scrapped just like that. Also the same night the N213 was lost the (N)65 was extended to Chessington. So TFL extend random routes to the middle of no ware and scrap a busy main one between 3 centers. What is that all about. Every Saturday I was on it only 25% of the time would I get a seat coming out of Croydon. Don't make sense to me how there is no demard for it. Daniel Dunican
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