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9:10am Friday 12th June 2009 in lost news By Oliver Evans
A MAJOR makeover of High Wycombe town centre has been announced including plans to axe a flyover and re-route traffic to make it more “pedestrian friendly”.
Wycombe District Council wants to close the elevated section of Abbey Way, which connects the Eden and Wycombe Hospital roundabouts for a public space.
The council hopes the nearby Royal British Legion, fire station and Liberal Club will be re-located – to concerns from some owners.
And the long-mooted plans would see traffic routed through the Desborough area by 2014.
Cul-de-sac Westbourne Street would be connected to the A40 via a widened Desborough Road and a new link road through former gas works – earmarked for retail – to a widened Queen Alexandra Road.
The River Wye and Hughenden stream would be “opened up” and a water feature built as part of new public space at the former Abbey Way site, open to local traffic and buses only.
The Eden roundabout would be removed and A4128 Archway, between the roundabout and the railway bridge, would go from a dual to a single carriageway.
Abbey Way is “divisive”, the council argues, and opening it up would create a more “pedestrian friendly” town.
To see a map of the plans click here.
To see read the council’s full document click here. (pdf 3.4MB). You can cross reference codes in the above map to the full details in this document.
It comes after the national Planning Inspectorate watchdog previously said there little evidence to show the flyover plan was achievable – but the council says it can now prove it is.
Planning chief councillor Jean Teesdale said: “I think it is really exciting and imaginative. We want it to be a place where people want to live and work.”
The council said the plan had undergone “extensive transport modelling” but warned congestion would increase unless public transport improved.
Click the links at the bottom of the story for plans for Marlow, Bourne End, Princes Risborough and outer Wycombe areas.
But residents living off Rutland Street said they were stunned by the plan to divert traffic through Debsorough. Angela Reeve, 51, said: “It’s ridiculous.”
Buckinghamshire Fire & Rescue Service said its present location is “currently the best option” and it wanted the ageing station redeveloped.
And legion chairman John Llewellyn said: “We would fight it tooth and nail.”
Yet Liberal Club secretary Alan Grainger said the club “definitely would be interested” in moving. “It could mean an improvement for our members,” he said.
Council planning chief Ian Manktelow said compulsory purchase orders would be a “last resort”.
Council Labour group leader Margaret Draper said she welcomed the “broad sweep” of the plans.
Lib Dem district councillor Trevor Snaith said: "Opening the river is the best thing that could happen. Getting rid of the flyover is long overdue."
Yet he said he was concerned that the fire stations and clubs "may be put under pressure to leave".
Chris Woodman, spokesman for the High Wycombe Society conservation group, said: “It could transform the town and be a tremendous improvement.”
Other proposals include: • Making Queen Victoria Road two-way and allowing Royal Mail and WDC offices to be redeveloped for offices.
• A 150-bed hotel and offices by Wycombe Sports Centre. Cressex park and ride would move to the site, where coaches would stop. Another park and ride would go at Terriers Farm, off Amersham Hill.
• A more “flexible” approach to town centre shop types to meet an “urgent” need to fill empty units.
• Redevelopment of the train station. Chiltern Railways this week made a planning application for a bus interchange, shopping mall, restaurant and cafe and business units. Three parking decks would provide a total 716 parking spaces and extensions to the 1854 broad gauge terminus would be removed.
• Allowing WDC-owned 167-space Duke Street car park to be used for homes or offices with “some” spaces kept.
• Permitting restaurants, pubs, shops and a hotel in the “tired” and “failing” Chilterns Shopping Centre. A hotel plan has already been submitted.
All plans are out to consultation from Tuesday.
To see the council’s maps of all developments click here. (pdf, 19.3MB).
Respond to WDF Consultation, Planning Policy Team, Wycombe District Council, Freepost HY120, Planning and Sustainability WDC 63, Queen Victoria Road, High Wycombe, HP11 1BB. Email spatial_planning@wycombe.gov.uk.
Public meetings and exhibitions on the plans will be held by the council next week.
Comments(42)
Save Wycombe
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9:37am Fri 12 Jun 09
Steve Totteridge Hill
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9:41am Fri 12 Jun 09
McAvennie
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9:46am Fri 12 Jun 09
SDJones
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10:09am Fri 12 Jun 09
Townman
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10:28am Fri 12 Jun 09
parcelman
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11:09am Fri 12 Jun 09
wayneo
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11:30am Fri 12 Jun 09
OllieNewbury
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11:52am Fri 12 Jun 09
Townman wrote:Now, where have we heard a plan like that before...
How will traffic travel move east to west etc? And when the flyover has gone, what is to stop the Univeristy spreading out to the other side of the road? As is their plan. So many questions to be answered. Shows we need a Town Council to consult over this. This has to be a town decision. Not left to Councillors from other parts of the district, that are NOT effected eg Cllr Teesdale.
Agniesca
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11:52am Fri 12 Jun 09
OllieNewbury
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12:05pm Fri 12 Jun 09
towncryer
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2:58pm Fri 12 Jun 09
OllieNewbury wrote:Ollie and Townman
Townman wrote: How will traffic travel move east to west etc? And when the flyover has gone, what is to stop the Univeristy spreading out to the other side of the road? As is their plan. So many questions to be answered. Shows we need a Town Council to consult over this. This has to be a town decision. Not left to Councillors from other parts of the district, that are NOT effected eg Cllr Teesdale.Now, where have we heard a plan like that before...
bakerbill
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3:08pm Fri 12 Jun 09
Whatsgoingonthen?
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4:01pm Fri 12 Jun 09
Whatsgoingonthen?
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4:11pm Fri 12 Jun 09
OllieNewbury
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5:22pm Fri 12 Jun 09
bakerbill wrote:Wasn't the Handy Cross re-build payed for and planned by the Highways Agency? I don't WDC contributed any cash at all.
Will this be like the improvements the Council have already done like Tens of thousands of pounds wasted on the not working water feature / fountain on frogmore.
Thousands of pounds wasted on concrete balls in Wycombe High Street
So called Improvements to the Handy Cross junction and the large amounts of Money spent on it. which have made it worse and one of the most dangerous roundabouts in this country ,many drivers I know avoid it like the plague , and it still jambs the traffic up . The Bus station reduced to pocket size.
The River Wye completely covered over by Eden shopping centre.
Over £400,000 pounds spent on updating Holywell Mead outside swimming pool wasted , now they have closed it . They have jammed up the town with traffic lights
I could go on and on .
They are like KING MIDAS IN REVERSE
wycombenewbie
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7:32pm Fri 12 Jun 09
smiley cat
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7:39pm Fri 12 Jun 09
bakerbill wrote:LOL
Will this be like the improvements the Council have already done like Tens of thousands of pounds wasted on the not working water feature / fountain on frogmore. Thousands of pounds wasted on concrete balls in Wycombe High Street So called Improvements to the Handy Cross junction and the large amounts of Money spent on it. which have made it worse and one of the most dangerous roundabouts in this country ,many drivers I know avoid it like the plague , and it still jambs the traffic up . The Bus station reduced to pocket size. The River Wye completely covered over by Eden shopping centre. Over £400,000 pounds spent on updating Holywell Mead outside swimming pool wasted , now they have closed it . They have jammed up the town with traffic lights I could go on and on . They are like KING MIDAS IN REVERSE
aug69
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7:48pm Fri 12 Jun 09
faisal mahmood
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7:59pm Fri 12 Jun 09
wayneo wrote:The powers that be read Ivor blogs!
"The River Wye and Hughenden stream would be “opened up"
Excellent and most fantastic news, there's hope for the town yet!!!
ivor
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8:50pm Fri 12 Jun 09
am i the only one
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9:00pm Fri 12 Jun 09
Plus ça change...
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9:10pm Fri 12 Jun 09
wayneo wrote:
"The River Wye and Hughenden stream would be “opened up" Excellent and most fantastic news, there's hope for the town yet!!!
smiley cat
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9:38pm Fri 12 Jun 09
ivor wrote:LOL
It seems the powers that be are listening to me as only the other week I was calling for the re-opening of the rive Wye. Previously I have called for the removal of the Oxford Road roundabout. Of course this misses the big issue which is the re-development of Frogmoor and the installation of a proper fountain there. I have seen the artist’s impression (in the pictures above) and there does seem an awful lot of concrete in the design. Maybe they should consider putting some grass or flower beds in the design to make it more friendly? Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “YOUR SAY” link at the top of the page then click on “BLOGS”.
J B Blackett
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10:13pm Fri 12 Jun 09
smiley cat
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10:25pm Fri 12 Jun 09
OllieNewbury
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11:13pm Fri 12 Jun 09
J B Blackett wrote:It just seems a lot of work, but now that the PDF's can open for me, I'm beginning to see how it would work.
I support wholeheartedly the comments from
bakerbill
Savewycombe
Townman
Wayneo
Agniesca
Plus ca change
Wycombenewbie
AND yes even Ivor
Sorry (smiley_cat and Ollie N)
It is Interesting News , but will it ever happen in our lifetime ? It apparently took nearly 40 years to make a final decision on the Newlands area.
Politics and vested interests combined equals stagnation and inertia , I'm afraid (viz Tescos and their ilk)
Townman also makes a very valid point that a proper Town Council, involving the citizens and burghers of the town itself , is critical
It is absolutely necessary that for a proper and legitimately acceptable scheme that is satisfactory to everybody affected should involve local people at all stages.
Not a few distant uncaring politicians and their flunkies.
Regards to all
ivor
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4:32am Sat 13 Jun 09
smiley cat
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9:24am Sat 13 Jun 09
ivor wrote:Er no....
As part of the new development I wonder if they will put some doors on the complex and fix the holes in the roof where the rain comes in? Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “YOUR SAY” link at the top of the page then click on “BLOGS”.
sai-diva
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2:57pm Sat 13 Jun 09
wayneo
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10:07pm Sat 13 Jun 09
Plus ça change... wrote:I think they are plus,If they do it right, I for one will come back to the town for shopping and recreation.
wayneo wrote: "The River Wye and Hughenden stream would be “opened up" Excellent and most fantastic news, there's hope for the town yet!!!I think they listening to us, Wayneo... Ivor, it is just a general artistic impression at this stage...
wayneo
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10:31pm Sat 13 Jun 09
TheT0nemeister
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1:21pm Tue 16 Jun 09
sai-diva wrote:I think they will probably just put 10 sets of traffic lights along the length of the flyer as they are still trying to get rid of the bulk buy lot they have used everywhere else round the town center.
I was at a meeting over a year ago when the re routing of the A40 was proposed,the question I asked then was, how're they going to widen desborough? It wont be by knocking down that lovely new church, so watch out all you businesses on that road. As for getting rid of the flyover, I'd love to see that, but as it will require the co-operation of county council,and Wycombe's planning dept. all I can say is,don't hold your breath.
Low_Wycombe
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9:10pm Tue 16 Jun 09
Spitfire
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9:13am Wed 17 Jun 09
Plus ça change...
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8:32am Thu 18 Jun 09
Plus ça change...
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2:36pm Thu 18 Jun 09
Spitfire wrote:
I think it's a great idea to open up free space in the town and move the traffic further out of the centre. I wonder if people here are objecting to the plans or just the fact they've been made by a Tory council.
wigwam54
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4:45pm Thu 18 Jun 09
feyaz
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6:33pm Sat 20 Jun 09
Plus ça change...
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10:07am Fri 26 Jun 09
bakerbill
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8:02pm Mon 29 Jun 09
feyaz wrote:I totally agree with feyaz .And when they remove the flyover lots of the shops in the old Octagon will have no roof .Is this a dastardly cleaver plan by the Council to reduce the number of shops in the town because 40% are unoccupied and unrentable .
this is ridiculous, in traffic it already takes 20-40 min to drive from one side of town to the other. there is no where that the amount of traffic that uses the flyover can go to. it's another waste of tax payers money. reading all the negative comments to the plan on here makes me wonder why we are not all in charge of the council. if only we could vote out the crazy planning officers from our concil
what_an_odd_town
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10:39pm Wed 8 Jul 09
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am i the only one says...
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