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Croydon high street under threat?


With Marks and Spencer closing its Valley Park store and large chain stores like Woolworths collapsing, Kirsty Whalley looks at whether Croydon’s high street is in trouble

Today Marks and Spencer announced that its Valley Park store in Croydon is one of two main chain stores it will be closing countrywide, along with 25 Simply Food stores.

The oldest surviving Woolworths has closed its doors permanently for the first time in the past 100 years and adminstrators for The Pier in Centrale is even trying to sell off the store’s Henry Hoover at the bargain price of £10.

Rosebys, Zavvi, USC, and the Officers Club are just some of the big names that we are set to lose from our high street. Familiar stores like Turtles, which has already closed and Beanos records which is closing, are lost to the town. I counted 16 empty units in the Whitgift Centre and Croydon Council’s Park Place development looks like a barren wasteland with 34 businesses closed and only 12 remaining open. Two units are closed in Centrale and Starbucks has shut its North End shop in favour of its Whitgift coffee outlet.

Peter Musch, 63, moved to Croydon from the Netherlands and opened up an art shop on the High Street in August last year. He will be closing the doors of Art in Mania soon. “The bills keep coming in but the customers are staying away,” he said. “I have been running an art business for seven years in the Netherlands. There were good times and bad times but I always managed. Here it is impossible.”

He said that he has been crippled by the hefty council tax he has to pay which is as much as the rent on his shop.

“It is completely insane and anti-trading,” he said.

Mr Musch is planning to go back to the Netherlands where he is considering starting up his business again.

“I’m not the kind of person to sit around doing nothing until I die but this has been such a shock. I have lost thousands of pounds moving to the UK,” he said.

Despite the gloomy outlook and some traders leaving the borough, Croydon’s business leaders remain determinedly upbeat.

Brian Stapleton, the chief executive of Croydon Business, said: “I am concerned about the collapse of a number of well known national retail chains, and there may well be more to come. However I think it is an exaggeration to say that North End is in danger of being barren.”

He points to the significant footfall figures recorded for the North End as 2008 came to a close.

Total footfall for November and December 2008 was 2.3 per cent up on the same period in 2007, with December alone up 3.7 per cent. Saturday December 6 featured as the busiest shopping day in the whole of 2008.

David Parham from the Centrale Shopping Centre agrees. “Footfall was up by 4 per cent on last year in the week of Christmas and up by 16 per cent on last year in the past week with shoppers being encouraged by sales of up to 70 per cent off throughout the centre.

“Centrale is a thriving centre with a loyal customer base and whilst retailing will remain difficult in the year ahead, we will continue to attract shoppers to the centre with our strong offering of brands and investment in marketing.”

Andrew Bauer, from the Whitgift Centre, said: “2009 will be a challenging year for all retailers, but we believe the Whitgift Centre continues to provide a competitive retail offer with a mixture of multiple and niche independent retailers.”

Ian Harvey, the marketing manager, said: “The Whitgift is still a viable option for businesses and we are receiving a number of enquiries about tenancy.”

However, now that the Christmas period is over and the January sales have begun the vital question is will shoppers continue to come to Croydon? Only time will tell.


Comments(21)

Brian Sewer says...
2:00pm Wed 7 Jan 09

Bad news for croydon

ANNE GILES says...
9:35pm Wed 7 Jan 09

I only shop in Croydon. Nowhere else. I visit the Whitgift or Centrale every week and will continue to do so. The shops are great. The cafes are great as well. Long may it continue!

cr2 says...
6:48am Thu 8 Jan 09

Please shop local dont travel to sutton or kingston and keep the shop open also these people coming here looking for work we have enough problems as it is.Thank you

scoffer says...
10:53am Thu 8 Jan 09

Good question C.G. the whole country is under threat - not just Croydon!! shops are closing down all over the place... good reason me thinks to stop the flood of immigrants coming here to claim benefits!! (Express) It makes no sense whatsoever to keep letting more people keep arriving here under the present economic downturn... we need some breathing space - but our politicians will not listen to sensible, honest, decent, members of the public - we are being accused of being nasty racists for daring to pop the question!! Oh dear!!

ANNE GILES says...
11:29am Thu 8 Jan 09

I do take your point on this one, scoffer. We are letting too many people in for such a small island. However, the Polish workers work extremely hard and are very polite. I have been to many restaurants where English workers are rude and can't be bothered. Also - many visitors to the U.K. are only here for a short time and then they return to their own countries. They often take on work with our own people simply don't want to do. I am sorry for the people here who can't find work, but there are some who simply don't look for work and just claim benefits instead. Sad, really.

Brian Sewer says...
11:40am Thu 8 Jan 09

I would vote for anyone who says enough is enough!

NastyMrTom says...
12:47pm Thu 8 Jan 09

You want to vote for Donna Summer ??

scoffer says...
2:21pm Thu 8 Jan 09

Which one's nastyoltom in the photo ? 'cos everyone has scattered!! lmao!!

I hope not says...
9:28am Fri 9 Jan 09

CR2 there is no harm in people coming to Croydon to work -what is wrong with you? At least people are working and not sitting on their backsides claiming benefits. You will find that when people work in the area, they tend to spend more money in the area, lunches, items of shopping that they need on the way home etc. Stop being so precious. More people working in Croydon is surely GOOD for the economy of Croydon is it not ?
As for telling people not to come to Sutton - you should try it some time, you might actually like it.

scoffer says...
9:47am Fri 9 Jan 09

A recession of this magnitude is not something that will go away very quickly... we've already seen an individual on here pushing for unlimited immigration into Britain even though there are far too many home grown British people now facing a bleak period of unemployment until this mess clears up (two years ?)... I think a ban on anymore immigrants coming here (using emergency measures) is well in order and sensible.

In yesterdays Daily Express - it was reported that unemployed eastern europeans also facing an economic downturn in their countries too and are heading to Britain to ride out this storm because we give £700 a week in total benefits compared to £150 in their home countries!! this has to stop!! So o.k. some of them are polite and they can speak English in restaurants this is no reason to allow more people to arrive here... we cannot house unlimited numbers coming here to claim benefits then work in the black market as cheap labour in snack-bars and coffee shops... speaking polite English!!

We need a big effort to support our own people and not take on other peoples unemployed folk - Britain is well known as 'soft touch Britain' to a lot of foreigners who come here for handouts - many sign up to bogus language courses - then work for unscrupulous employer's on the black market, then making an occasional appearance in their college to complete the scam... this loop-hole should be closed -British people are losing out on jobs - removing the black market candidates would force dodgy employers to raise their hourly rates and employ local folk. Thanks for reading my sermon!! rofl!!


NastyMrTom says...
11:58am Fri 9 Jan 09

You can't claim the £700+ unless you've been resident here for a year.

The reason for the disparity in the figures is the cost of housing , living etc in the respective countries. If you could claim the £700+ whilst living in Poland (this is the country that the £150 is taken from) then yes you'd be laughing .... but you can't.

There are no 'emergency powers' available to stop immigration. The Emergency Powers Act of 1920 & 1964 and the replacement Civil Contingencies Act 2004 deals with the threat to the essentials of life to the community i.e fuel , transport etc

Immigration from within the EU is not in the control of the UK. The freedom of movement between EU member states is one of the four freedoms of the EU. The Workers Registration Scheme restricts the movement & ability to claim benefits of some of the newer member states such as Bulgaria & Romania.

The 1962 Commonwealth Immigrants Act also restricts the movement of peoples from the Commonwealth member states.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS UNLIMITED IMMIGRATION NEVER HAS BEEN NEVER WILL BE ...

Once again you seem to have no understanding of the difference between immigrants and asylum seekers ... but we can go through this another time




Brian Sewer says...
12:34pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Clever cloggs is stirring it up again i see
Glad i dont live next door to him or id sort him out in 2mins!

NastyMrTom says...
1:30pm Fri 9 Jan 09


Boo-hoo-hoo ....

We don't have your sort living in our road. It's not some hole like Worthing.


scoffer says...
2:30pm Fri 9 Jan 09

Good here ain't it!! rofl!!

scoffer says...
3:37pm Fri 9 Jan 09

The E.U. was supposed to work with a roughly even number of people moving around within the E.U. seeking work - it was never envisaged that a couple of million people would decide to come to the U.K. - and then claim for all the benefits here including child benefit allowance for their children back home!! (proven already that widespread abuse has taken place with forged birth certificates for kids that do not even exsist!!) Britain has become a magnet for crooks along with a lot of hard working immigrants - many who are taken advantage of by greedy bosses - perhaps a complete withdrawl from europe is gathering pace as hardworking, honest, trustworthing, British people realise we are being ripped off by the E.U. gangsters who run the show - we simply cannot afford any more people coming here to seek a better life!!

Brian Sewer says...
10:57am Sat 10 Jan 09

In theory scoffer another 5million people could decide to come to england from the eu where would we put them all?
Cant we just say we are leaving the eu and then we wont have all this trouble of people exploiting the system
I hope they go to croydon because thats were the immigration center is

ANNE GILES says...
6:04pm Sat 10 Jan 09

Brian Sewer wrote:
In theory scoffer another 5million people could decide to come to england from the eu where would we put them all? Cant we just say we are leaving the eu and then we wont have all this trouble of people exploiting the system I hope they go to croydon because thats were the immigration center is
Apparently, they are building a new council estate in Tarring, and several hundred may be moving over there.

scoffer says...
10:55am Sun 11 Jan 09

Indeed Brian... but according to confused.tom on another thread some weeks ago on here - Wellesley Road in Croydon does not have people falling over each other - which under her fools logic... there's still plenty room for even more immigrants!! rofl!! thank goodness the great British public are at last rejecting the marxist internet disruptors and making 2009 the year for joined-up thinking and supporting sensible political solutions!!

Brian Sewer says...
12:41pm Sun 11 Jan 09

People make slums ann as you have in croydon with anti social neighbours that we see on hear we donr mind council tennants we are not like some people pretending they are snobs on here

scoffer says...
12:15pm Wed 14 Jan 09

That's a jolly good point of order Brian... You can have a lovely block of flats - but once anti-social, noisy, neighbours move in - they turn it into a slum!! It's a bit like the above photo - a couple of shoppers with half empty bags walking past boarded up shops in Croydon... rents too high, low moral amongst those losing their jobs, shoppers uneasy about the economy, credit crunch, uncontrolled immigration and crime... it takes it's toll - but hey, spring is not far away - let's make 2009 a great year for us all!!

Brian Sewer says...
3:10pm Wed 14 Jan 09

Thanks scoffer the good guys voices are being heard on here now


Empty units in St George's Walk. Shops were forced out for a development that is now unlikely to take place Empty units in St George's Walk. Shops were forced out for a development that is now unlikely to take place

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