MK Dons v AFC Wimbledon - What did it mean to you? (From Your Local Guardian)

I admit to being in tears when the players came out to the pitch because I thought that **** this is really happening. I think some truths really need to be told to MK customers, how they are simply not Wimbledon. They actually believe that MK Dons saved Wimbledon FC. I saw no passion from the MK crowd, but the Wimbledon end was pure emotion. The press call MK Dons Milton Keynes, and AFC Wimbledon , Wimbledon. This brain washing in Buckinghamshire is a travesty. Despite wearing a 90s Wimbledon FC shirt I was told my sold old frannie that I wasn't born when the club moved. If only he knew what we experienced at Selhurst Park all those years ago.

I see you didn't spend much time on the three arrests. I suppose you'll say the offences were excusable due to the circumstances. We've had Leeds and Millwall fans here and even they didn't resort to trashing the toilets and sh*****g on the floor. You seem to condone the use of the word 'scum'. I think it could more accurately be ascribed to your fans or should I say, the ones who caused the damage.

never want AFC fans back, threatening young families, abusive language, Mk Dons is a family community club & AFC are light years away of becoming just that. Shame because they play some good football & were unlucky not to get a draw or even a win. Neal Ardley & his players are the only ones to have behaved with dignity. AFC,WISA & their fans are disgusting

Taking away the actions of a few idiots who think that mindless vandalism is acceptable, it should be noted that 16,000 supporters with irreconcilable differences managed to vent their feelings of angst, hurt and injustice in a largely peaceful and responsible manner.

That speaks volumes for fans of both clubs and I'm delighted the media didn't get the bloodbath that their irresponsible reporting tried to invoke.

This is a unique story of an extended family that will never get along and both will feel that they won on the day, albeit in different terms.

I'm just glad you media clowns didn't win anything apart from another few days of jaded soundbites. If there was ever an institution worthy of being labelled 'scum', our national sports press would have very few competitors.

P Mitchell wrote:
Taking away the actions of a few idiots who think that mindless vandalism is acceptable, it should be noted that 16,000 supporters with irreconcilable differences managed to vent their feelings of angst, hurt and injustice in a largely peaceful and responsible manner.

That speaks volumes for fans of both clubs and I'm delighted the media didn't get the bloodbath that their irresponsible reporting tried to invoke.

This is a unique story of an extended family that will never get along and both will feel that they won on the day, albeit in different terms.

I'm just glad you media clowns didn't win anything apart from another few days of jaded soundbites. If there was ever an institution worthy of being labelled 'scum', our national sports press would have very few competitors.

Good post.

Trashing a toilet or destroying a proud football club. Not much contest over which one of those is worse. Also seen just as many mentions of AFC fans being abused by McDons 'customers'.

I see the McDons apologists didn't see fit to mention their fans that ran onto the pitch to threaten Neal Sullivan after their winning goal, but then McDons customers have had ten years practice of only seeing what they want to see, and ignoring anything that might threaten their little world view.

As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

quite a number of Wimbledon fans followed Wimbledon FC to Milton Keynes & now support MK Dons. The majority of MK Dons supporters though are from MK & surrounding areas. The media frenzy tried its best to wind everyone up but failed. Just sadly some AFC supporters outside & inside the ground took football back to the bad old days. Good luck to the residents of Merton if AFC move to a new stadium there

Peacedon - I repeat, I have seen just as many reports of McDons customers causing trouble.

Should be mentioned also that McDons fans have a habit of making up their own 'facts' so who knows if any toilet was actually vandalised?

I will say that it was wrong of AFCW fans to steal all of the seats from the upper tier of the Winky Dome.

Given how much in debt McDons are though (around £10m allegedly) perhaps AFCW could buy their League 1 spot? Remember, using the twisted logic of the average McDons customer, it's OK to take another club's league place if they are in debt.

I travelled to the Asda car park stadium........ or whatever it’s called. My first impression was........ why didn’t they finish it? As kick off approached and the lower tier for home fans remained (at best) 50% full I had my answer, there was no need. Why put another 15,000 seats in place just to cover them with confusing banners.

Which leads me to my lasting impression of Milton Keynes FC..........
The “fans” don’t seem at all sure who they are. For such a young club with a fan-base mainly under 14 this is understandable. The well thought out banner “WERE THE DONS” was representative of this. My question is ......... but were you, and if you were what are you now? Add to that the question of “where were you when you were us” and I start to see their predicament.

Throughout the afternoon the Wimbledon end kindly advised MK “fans” who they are. In some small way......... I hope we helped.

The issue comes down to servicing the debt and at the moment, Pete Winkelman is able to do so through his holding company although the constant restructuring of loan agreements does raise the question of how long that will continue.

In truth, he only has to keep his club afloat long enough to reap the financial rewards of his stadium complex. After that, the football club can be passed on to an interested party who can saddle the debt or it will go into administration.

Regarding the accusations of baiting and aggression, I'm sure both sets of fans had a small number who became involved in unpleasant name-calling but that was about it. The important thing is that most didn't and that's a testament to those who had the intelligence to attend, make their voices heard and fight their respective corners without the need for violence or antagonism.

peacedon wrote:
quite a number of Wimbledon fans followed Wimbledon FC to Milton Keynes & now support MK Dons. The majority of MK Dons supporters though are from MK & surrounding areas. The media frenzy tried its best to wind everyone up but failed. Just sadly some AFC supporters outside & inside the ground took football back to the bad old days. Good luck to the residents of Merton if AFC move to a new stadium there

I am also aware of quite a few that followed to MK but then went over to AFC after a year or so. It was a difficult time back then and people did what was right for them. To be honest, I dont think we actually hold as large a group of ex-WFC fans as many believe.

P Mitchell wrote:
The issue comes down to servicing the debt and at the moment, Pete Winkelman is able to do so through his holding company although the constant restructuring of loan agreements does raise the question of how long that will continue.

In truth, he only has to keep his club afloat long enough to reap the financial rewards of his stadium complex. After that, the football club can be passed on to an interested party who can saddle the debt or it will go into administration.

Regarding the accusations of baiting and aggression, I'm sure both sets of fans had a small number who became involved in unpleasant name-calling but that was about it. The important thing is that most didn't and that's a testament to those who had the intelligence to attend, make their voices heard and fight their respective corners without the need for violence or antagonism.

Yes, the debt is a bit of a concern. Considering we need to install upper tier seats and undersoil heating too.

Once the seats are installed, I'd like to hope we may get 17-18k for when big teams come to play. That will generate the money to pay off the debt

typical of AFC fans to try & deflect attention from the trouble caused by their fans & the damage caused to our stadium. It was 3 AFC fans arrested, not our fans

peacedon wrote:
typical of AFC fans to try & deflect attention from the trouble caused by their fans & the damage caused to our stadium. It was 3 AFC fans arrested, not our fans

With the greatest amount of respect, the article says which fans were arrested.

This from twitter from an AFC fan, I'm not going to apologise for his/her language

19m Nick ‏@nicklibertine
The frannies are **** terrified of us. I hope we draw them at home next season. Crying about some stickers hahaha
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much rather be terrified than be the terrorisers Nick

I am constantly amazed when they talked before the game about both sets of fans having grievances and scores to settle. Quite what problem the Mkers having I don't know. They did take our club after all.

Peacedon seems to be their official spokesperson so perhaps he can help on this one.

Ric_Braz wrote:
I am constantly amazed when they talked before the game about both sets of fans having grievances and scores to settle. Quite what problem the Mkers having I don't know. They did take our club after all. Peacedon seems to be their official spokesperson so perhaps he can help on this one.

He also seems reluctant to talk about some McDons customers running onto the pitch to threaten Neal Sullivan.

3 AFC fans arrested, such terrible crimes that they had to be dealt with via a £50 fine. At that level clearly deemed as serious as parking in the wrong place in any town centre!

Was Sullivan actually threatened? I've seen nothing in the media about it. Probably as fabricated as the toilet stories are getting. That one has gone from a few stickers being handed around to a full scale demolition job.

David Martin is on record as saying there was no malicious behaviour towards him when AFC Wimbledon equalised and fans invaded the pitch.

peacedon wrote:
much rather be terrified than be the terrorisers Nick

As a fellow Milton Keynes fan, I dont think you are doing helping me try to build bridges here. From seeing how professionally and passionately AFC approached the game, I am almost considering adding them to my list of supported teams.

Manchester United and Milton Keynes are obviously my first loves and that will never change. We need to be a bit careful not to inflame a relationship that has already got off to a bad start.

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P Mitchell wrote:
Was Sullivan actually threatened? I've seen nothing in the media about it. Probably as fabricated as the toilet stories are getting. That one has gone from a few stickers being handed around to a full scale demolition job. David Martin is on record as saying there was no malicious behaviour towards him when AFC Wimbledon equalised and fans invaded the pitch.

Adrian Chiles mentioned after the game that Sullivan did well not to react to the McDons fans after the winning goal. Not sure exactly how threatening it really was, but considering recent events with fans and goalkeepers, it does show McDons have some followers that are even more moronic than the average one.

No Peacedon, I felt pretty certain you would not have an answer to my question. Just stick to the toilet story.

peacedon wrote:
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Even if that was all true (and no evidence is offered), you destroyed an entire football club, so quit your moaning.

Kadoogan wrote:

peacedon wrote: http://www.miltonkey nes.co.uk/news/local /afc-fans-defecated- on-floor-of-stadium- mk-toilets-1-4552712 #.UL4pPHP4nbw.twitte r

Even if that was all true (and no evidence is offered), you destroyed an entire football club, so quit your moaning.

Oh don't tell him that. They were always under the impression that they have heroically saved one from extinction. That is of if received £21.8m in transfer fees in 2000-1 was extinction of course. But Winky never lies does he? Nothing in it for him of course?!

Ric_Braz wrote:

Kadoogan wrote:

peacedon wrote: http://www.miltonkey nes.co.uk/news/local /afc-fans-defecated- on-floor-of-stadium- mk-toilets-1-4552712 #.UL4pPHP4nbw.twitte r

Even if that was all true (and no evidence is offered), you destroyed an entire football club, so quit your moaning.

Oh don't tell him that. They were always under the impression that they have heroically saved one from extinction. That is of if received £21.8m in transfer fees in 2000-1 was extinction of course. But Winky never lies does he? Nothing in it for him of course?!

Was that the money Koppel and Winky 'forgot' to include in the financial info they used to hoodwink the FA Commission into believing they would go bust if they didn't move?

It is quite amazing how the customers of McDons have become so good at blindly ignoring the mounds of evidence that the move was nothing to do with saving a club and everything to do with stealing one to satisfy a property deal. The self-delusion they have honed over the years is incredible.

Just sounds as if Adrian Chiles expressed an opinion, as he's paid to do, without really having seen anything of note to substantiate it. I'd have been very surprised if something more high profile hadn't come out by now had Sullivan been verbally abused or threatened.

As things went, I thought the conduct of Neil Ardley and his team before, during and after the event was superb. Ardley is a class act and probably wouldn't have mentioned any threats towards Sullivan anyway but I don't think anything of note happened.

Happy to be corrected here but wasn't the missing information more to do with current playing assets not being declared rather than transfer fees?

Ric_Braz wrote:
No Peacedon, I felt pretty certain you would not have an answer to my question. Just stick to the toilet story.

I think we would just like a little respect. We are a nice little club but it is very difficult when most of the footballing world hates us.

Pete Winkleman admits that mistakes were made and probably regrets he did not start the club from the bottom and work his way up. It would have been a nicer story. I for one would like to see this put to bed. I enjoy supporting MK and on the big occasions when the big clubs come to town, the atmosphere is amazing. The trouble is, we have outgrown League 1. The big clubs are not there anymore.

Without wishing to have a long running discussion I am afraid that Winky knew he had to offer some sort of sign of peace but saying something 10 years later that it was probably wrong does not really change much and to be frank he would never have said that if we had not played them this week.

I also have to say you are living in a fantasy world if you think he ever had or indeed thinks now he would rather have started from the bottom. Why did he try to get Barnet and QPR to go there previously if that was the case.

We can't change anything now but what we will NEVER be allowed to be seen is that he did some sort of favour to the club because that is categorically not the case. Even if the club was going to fold, which it was not, it should have been left naturally like Aldershot and Accrington etc. and it must never ever happen again where a club is wrenched away from its supporters and base.

I am not sure to say that a club that gets 8-9,000 every home game has outgrown League 1 would be a very popular remark but then there is very little that is popular about one of your clubs, that you sometimes go to, if the match is big enough and it is sunny.

given the nature of the damage to our stadium it's obvious some afc so called fans haven't been toilet trained. There actions will have been witnessed & condoned by other AFC fans who should, if they have any principles, give their names to the Police. They won't though

Ric_Braz wrote:
Without wishing to have a long running discussion I am afraid that Winky knew he had to offer some sort of sign of peace but saying something 10 years later that it was probably wrong does not really change much and to be frank he would never have said that if we had not played them this week.

I also have to say you are living in a fantasy world if you think he ever had or indeed thinks now he would rather have started from the bottom. Why did he try to get Barnet and QPR to go there previously if that was the case.

We can't change anything now but what we will NEVER be allowed to be seen is that he did some sort of favour to the club because that is categorically not the case. Even if the club was going to fold, which it was not, it should have been left naturally like Aldershot and Accrington etc. and it must never ever happen again where a club is wrenched away from its supporters and base.

I am not sure to say that a club that gets 8-9,000 every home game has outgrown League 1 would be a very popular remark but then there is very little that is popular about one of your clubs, that you sometimes go to, if the match is big enough and it is sunny.

Pete is a very special man. He knows his football, his business and his fans. That is why he knows that the area is a hot bed of football and that is why we need a big stadium.

Our fans are loyal in that many support other clubs but also support his local team. We have been a playoff team for so long, we might as well be considered a championship or lower premier league club.

We attract the big names like Ray Harford and Ian Wright who can gel a team and teach the proper aspects of passing football.

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

You might just be the person I am looking for! Much has been written prior to this game and so I will keep this brief.The past is the past and both clubs need to move on. MK now has nothing to do with any of the history of Wimbledon FC, it's name, it's strip, it's badge yet strangely it wants to hang on to our nickname as well. The clue is in the name ours is wimbleDON, yours is not milDon KeyDOnes. Mr Winkleman says your fans want to keep the name but our fans wanted to keep our club!

Why don't you start a competition for your club, amongst your fans and find a new nickname. Be proud of being Milton Keynes FC. What is the point of referring to yourselves as MK dons.

It will be fun finding a new nickname and once it is done both clubs can go there own separate ways and maybe meet up again in the Premiership!

As an MK Dons fan i have to say that the majority AFC Wimbledon Fans in general were well behaved. I spoke to a few and all they wanted to talk about was football. That to all of us makes a great fan. I arrived at the ground about an hour before kick off and stood outside for a while just watching. It became pretty obvious that there were small groups, mainly teenagers. Although some men in there 50's were amongst them but these guys had more than football in mind and it was pretty shameful after i had already spoken to some really genuine AFC/W fans. What a let down these guys are for the club. I can only assume these were the kind that wrecked the toilets etc. MK Dons fans don't mind being called scum it gives them something to laugh about but i think the label "Scum" has now landed on AFC /W's doorstep. Stadium MK has attracted some big clubs and not one has displayed such vandalism and defecation. Not a good start AFC/W i feel so sorry for the genuine supporters and for a club that is doing so well. It only adds fuel to the fire for any meeting in the future . I hope the AFC/W Scum are captured and dealt with before they destroy your clubs reputation.
Strange thing i found out later on in the day was that people driving around MK during the game thought that it was the MK Dons fans who had the aeroplane fly over trying to state that they were the real wimbledon.

donsman wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

You might just be the person I am looking for! Much has been written prior to this game and so I will keep this brief.The past is the past and both clubs need to move on. MK now has nothing to do with any of the history of Wimbledon FC, it's name, it's strip, it's badge yet strangely it wants to hang on to our nickname as well. The clue is in the name ours is wimbleDON, yours is not milDon KeyDOnes. Mr Winkleman says your fans want to keep the name but our fans wanted to keep our club!

Why don't you start a competition for your club, amongst your fans and find a new nickname. Be proud of being Milton Keynes FC. What is the point of referring to yourselves as MK dons.

It will be fun finding a new nickname and once it is done both clubs can go there own separate ways and maybe meet up again in the Premiership!

A competition is always fun and it sounds like a good idea but we like the link to the past. The Dons part of our name is to honour the past of the club. I quite like it because it shows the old Crazy Group spirit that the club showed in its past. It won't give up or die.

It would be great to meet in the premiership. By then, we will probably need a new stadium.

As MK Dons fans we've welcomed all away supporters & been welcomed at away games, but I hope we never have the misfortune to host AFC ever again. You only need a few idiots to ruin it for the majority. Pity the majority of AFC fans weren't man enough to stop the idiots or at least report the incidents to the stewards

peacedon wrote:
As MK Dons fans we've welcomed all away supporters & been welcomed at away games, but I hope we never have the misfortune to host AFC ever again. You only need a few idiots to ruin it for the majority. Pity the majority of AFC fans weren't man enough to stop the idiots or at least report the incidents to the stewards

I agree with that, but how come the police and stewards at that end did not catch those who did the damage at the time?

From my seat in the home end, I could see tons of stewards etc.

donsfanNo1 wrote:

peacedon wrote:
As MK Dons fans we've welcomed all away supporters & been welcomed at away games, but I hope we never have the misfortune to host AFC ever again. You only need a few idiots to ruin it for the majority. Pity the majority of AFC fans weren't man enough to stop the idiots or at least report the incidents to the stewards

I agree with that, but how come the police and stewards at that end did not catch those who did the damage at the time?

From my seat in the home end, I could see tons of stewards etc.

I would assume the smashing of porcelain would rouse security, given the seriousness of the game and the state of alert the authorities were on, on that day.

donsfanNo1 wrote:

donsman wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

You might just be the person I am looking for! Much has been written prior to this game and so I will keep this brief.The past is the past and both clubs need to move on. MK now has nothing to do with any of the history of Wimbledon FC, it's name, it's strip, it's badge yet strangely it wants to hang on to our nickname as well. The clue is in the name ours is wimbleDON, yours is not milDon KeyDOnes. Mr Winkleman says your fans want to keep the name but our fans wanted to keep our club!

Why don't you start a competition for your club, amongst your fans and find a new nickname. Be proud of being Milton Keynes FC. What is the point of referring to yourselves as MK dons.

It will be fun finding a new nickname and once it is done both clubs can go there own separate ways and maybe meet up again in the Premiership!

A competition is always fun and it sounds like a good idea but we like the link to the past. The Dons part of our name is to honour the past of the club. I quite like it because it shows the old Crazy Group spirit that the club showed in its past. It won't give up or die.

It would be great to meet in the premiership. By then, we will probably need a new stadium.

You are right that the old Crazy Gang spirit won't give up and die that is why AFC exists. However, as I said before Mr Winkleman gave up the blue and yellow, the badge and the history.

It might be nice, it is nice, but it's OUR nickname - remember, you gave up the history. You shouldn't hold on to the bit you like just for the sake of it.

Give it up and you will have your own identity and you will feel much better for it!

donsman wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:

donsman wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

You might just be the person I am looking for! Much has been written prior to this game and so I will keep this brief.The past is the past and both clubs need to move on. MK now has nothing to do with any of the history of Wimbledon FC, it's name, it's strip, it's badge yet strangely it wants to hang on to our nickname as well. The clue is in the name ours is wimbleDON, yours is not milDon KeyDOnes. Mr Winkleman says your fans want to keep the name but our fans wanted to keep our club!

Why don't you start a competition for your club, amongst your fans and find a new nickname. Be proud of being Milton Keynes FC. What is the point of referring to yourselves as MK dons.

It will be fun finding a new nickname and once it is done both clubs can go there own separate ways and maybe meet up again in the Premiership!

A competition is always fun and it sounds like a good idea but we like the link to the past. The Dons part of our name is to honour the past of the club. I quite like it because it shows the old Crazy Group spirit that the club showed in its past. It won't give up or die.

It would be great to meet in the premiership. By then, we will probably need a new stadium.

You are right that the old Crazy Gang spirit won't give up and die that is why AFC exists. However, as I said before Mr Winkleman gave up the blue and yellow, the badge and the history.

It might be nice, it is nice, but it's OUR nickname - remember, you gave up the history. You shouldn't hold on to the bit you like just for the sake of it.

Give it up and you will have your own identity and you will feel much better for it!

Actually, having looked at it like that, you are probably quite right. We haven't exactly held on to the honours and colours.

Maybe we should just create our own identity and nickname. Maybe others will respect us.

It is hard when we have the old Dons legend, Ray Harford on our management team, to let go of the spirit of the Crazy Group

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

Ok, nice one, you almost had me fooled for a second, well two seconds actually. An AFC troll disguised as a MK Dons fan. Very humerous. What would a part time Man U and MK Dons fan be doing trawling through the local Wimbledon rag? Of course there is a one in a million chance you could be genuine, in which case can I ask that you go back to your armchair and stop embarrassing our club with your limited knowledge.

stony bloke wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

Ok, nice one, you almost had me fooled for a second, well two seconds actually. An AFC troll disguised as a MK Dons fan. Very humerous. What would a part time Man U and MK Dons fan be doing trawling through the local Wimbledon rag? Of course there is a one in a million chance you could be genuine, in which case can I ask that you go back to your armchair and stop embarrassing our club with your limited knowledge.

I was actually looking for an alternate view of Sunday's game. Thought the best place to look would be a site that reports local news in Wimbledon. Why am I embarrassing my club? I have not been rude or abusive to you or anyone.

donsfanNo1 wrote:

stony bloke wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

Ok, nice one, you almost had me fooled for a second, well two seconds actually. An AFC troll disguised as a MK Dons fan. Very humerous. What would a part time Man U and MK Dons fan be doing trawling through the local Wimbledon rag? Of course there is a one in a million chance you could be genuine, in which case can I ask that you go back to your armchair and stop embarrassing our club with your limited knowledge.

I was actually looking for an alternate view of Sunday's game. Thought the best place to look would be a site that reports local news in Wimbledon. Why am I embarrassing my club? I have not been rude or abusive to you or anyone.

I didn't say you were rude or abusive. I just said you were an AFC troll. I think the final givaway was the 'Ray Harford' bit. Lol.

stony bloke wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:

stony bloke wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

Ok, nice one, you almost had me fooled for a second, well two seconds actually. An AFC troll disguised as a MK Dons fan. Very humerous. What would a part time Man U and MK Dons fan be doing trawling through the local Wimbledon rag? Of course there is a one in a million chance you could be genuine, in which case can I ask that you go back to your armchair and stop embarrassing our club with your limited knowledge.

I was actually looking for an alternate view of Sunday's game. Thought the best place to look would be a site that reports local news in Wimbledon. Why am I embarrassing my club? I have not been rude or abusive to you or anyone.

I didn't say you were rude or abusive. I just said you were an AFC troll. I think the final givaway was the 'Ray Harford' bit. Lol.

Oh noes! Embarrassing! I meant Mick obviously. Sorry to disappoint but I am no troll. You seem to be a MK fan or pro Milton Keynes. Who is to say you are not a troll? Why are you on this site?

I am and have been an MK fan for a while. The reason I am a Man U fan is because MK only existed in 2004. Do you think I wouldn't know about football before our brief existence began?

donsfanNo1 wrote:

stony bloke wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:

stony bloke wrote:

donsfanNo1 wrote:
As a supporter of Manchester Utd and Milton Keynes, I must say that from what I observed at Stadium:MK on Sunday, the Wimbledon fans were well behaved. Pre match, I spoke to a few fans who yes, were passionate about the situation but were educated and constructed their arguments well.

I have seen videos on Youtube where you can quite clearly hear my own fans refer to the AFC fans as scum.

I dont go to many games at MK, I tend to go to the playoff games and high profile matches as the atmosphere is much better when the stadium is full. Given the circumstances, I feel that passions were high and taunting of opposition fans is part of the game.

As Wimbledon FC no longer exists as an entity, I do find it a little strange that our fans wear shirts from the WFC era, considering the majority have never seen Wimbledon play. I for one would like to see us disassociate Milton Keynes from the past and concentrate on our future as a separate football entity, that is starting to obtain a history of its own.

Ok, nice one, you almost had me fooled for a second, well two seconds actually. An AFC troll disguised as a MK Dons fan. Very humerous. What would a part time Man U and MK Dons fan be doing trawling through the local Wimbledon rag? Of course there is a one in a million chance you could be genuine, in which case can I ask that you go back to your armchair and stop embarrassing our club with your limited knowledge.

I was actually looking for an alternate view of Sunday's game. Thought the best place to look would be a site that reports local news in Wimbledon. Why am I embarrassing my club? I have not been rude or abusive to you or anyone.

I didn't say you were rude or abusive. I just said you were an AFC troll. I think the final givaway was the 'Ray Harford' bit. Lol.

Oh noes! Embarrassing! I meant Mick obviously. Sorry to disappoint but I am no troll. You seem to be a MK fan or pro Milton Keynes. Who is to say you are not a troll? Why are you on this site?

I am and have been an MK fan for a while. The reason I am a Man U fan is because MK only existed in 2004. Do you think I wouldn't know about football before our brief existence began?

Anyway, I am discussing sensibly here. You are dragging us off topic.

Maybe Eric Samuelson was concerned about the fans of his club and thats why he hoped there would be a boycott but then I thought AFC were a fans owned club

peacedon wrote:
Maybe Eric Samuelson was concerned about the fans of his club and thats why he hoped there would be a boycott but then I thought AFC were a fans owned club

That wasn't a boycott. Now this is a boycott and its what AFC should have done if they were serious.
http://www.football.
co.uk/rangers/ranger
s_refuse_cup_tickets
_rss3625641.shtml

I think that if anything, the fixture will have galvanised fans in Milton Keynes to keep the 'Dons'. Like it or not, the cup tie has created a rivalry of sorts although it isn't a traditional footballing one.

Some will say they want to keep it for the sake of honouring the decision of former Wimbledon fans who moved to MK with the staff and players.

The real truth is that they'll want to keep it now simply because it winds up AFC Wimbledon fans. I think a grave error was made (by this paper, wasn't it?) when the entire 'Drop the Dons' campaign was launched. Had things stayed quiet, I think the cup tie might have given Milton Keynes the impetus to start thinking about forging their own identity (something they have supposed to have been doing since 2007, I believe).

Having read other online websites and forums, it seems as if MK fans believe that dropping the Dons will only result in more demands at a later stage. Certainly for the foreseeable future, football is going to have to put up with two 'Dons', whether that is a popular state of affairs or not.

P Mitchell wrote:
I think that if anything, the fixture will have galvanised fans in Milton Keynes to keep the 'Dons'. Like it or not, the cup tie has created a rivalry of sorts although it isn't a traditional footballing one.

Some will say they want to keep it for the sake of honouring the decision of former Wimbledon fans who moved to MK with the staff and players.

The real truth is that they'll want to keep it now simply because it winds up AFC Wimbledon fans. I think a grave error was made (by this paper, wasn't it?) when the entire 'Drop the Dons' campaign was launched. Had things stayed quiet, I think the cup tie might have given Milton Keynes the impetus to start thinking about forging their own identity (something they have supposed to have been doing since 2007, I believe).

Having read other online websites and forums, it seems as if MK fans believe that dropping the Dons will only result in more demands at a later stage. Certainly for the foreseeable future, football is going to have to put up with two 'Dons', whether that is a popular state of affairs or not.

There are a minority of our fans who actually want to remove the Dons from our name. Separate ourselves from the past and become a proper, recognised team in its own right, with its own history.

I am one of these as it is a little difficult to keep saying we are the continuation of WFC when we do not have the honours etc.

Whilst I (and Pete Winkleman) agree it was not the best thing that happened, I am still proud of my local team. I am certain we will be premier league in 3 years, when the stadium is finished. Wimbledon should be extremely proud too.

I think you're being excessively optimistic in your visions for the club. Pete Winkelman doesn't have the financial capacity to take Milton Keynes to the top flight and the fact his club has now languished in League One for a fifth season says that it will be a tough task getting promoted again this season.

However, you are entirely correct that his club is not a continuation of Wimbledon FC in any shape or form. The only connection these days is a handful of maybe 100 to 150 fans who chose to come to Milton Keynes with the players and staff of the former club. From some of the fans I've met, a decent number made that decision on a basis of geography and Milton Keynes was actually closer to their homes than Selhurst Park. I have no doubt some made the choice for other reasons but geography was an influential factor for quite a few.

While those fans exist, the Dons name will exist with them. It just seems bizarre to me that the club would give away the honours of Wimbledon FC yet retain the name itself, particularly when the accord states that they would drop existing community links within Wimbledon and create their own identity. Five years on and that hasn't happened.

AFC Wimbledon fan, i was at the game on sunday.

about dropping the dons, most AFC fans agree that it would be better for MK to drop it, but most dont care. our opinion, even more so now that we have been to your ground is that you seem a club with an identity crysis. and that dropping the dons would help you create your own identity. however keeping it gives us ammunition against you, as its like a theif having theif tattood on his head. its on a reminder of how your owner poached another towns club.

with regards to the damage claim, most AFC dont believe it. i was there and didnt see or hear any of it (other than the stickers) i also visited the toilets, and other than a few people smoking in there and getting told off by the stewards who were in their, there was no damage. the news artical also didnt make sense, it said urinals were ripped from the walls, but then later said the damage was too the ladies toilets. i think you will agree this doesnt add up.

also bear in mind there was a lot information coming from mr winkleman in the press that was highly inappropriate in the lead up to the match. for the most part it was untrue (claiming he was forced to move the club because of the administrators and he had no choice. the fact the move had been given approval by the FA over a year before club even entered administration as 1 example).

these lies and the apology that wasnt an apology only serviced to infuriate AFC fans in the build up to the game and raise tentions. not the conduct you should expect from the chairman of the club hosting the game and assuring both sets of fans safety.

because of all of this i highly doubt the damage claims are true. we have had no proof of any of this other than an artical from the local paper saying how horrible us AFC fans are.

also with another gripe a lot of MK fans have at being not very liked in the football community. even us AFC fans who have more reason than anyone to not like your understand its not the fans or town who are to blame. the reason you are not liked, its because of what your chairman did. you have no one else to blame but him.

I saw the article yesterday regarding the damage and it looked pretty clear that both the MK club and their newspaper were unequivocal as to the good behaviour of the overwhelming majority of visiting fans.

According to some sources, many of the reports of damage have stemmed from a single MK fan who arrived the following day to pick up flags laid out on the seating. Firstly, I don't know how he managed to see the away end toilets as the flags were in a segregated part of the stadium from where AFC Wimbledon fans were housed. Also, there is no photographic evidence because, supposedly, his camera phone was left on the seat of his car (a strange thing to do in Bletchley were anything that has even a remote value gets stolen, apparently).

The papers in Milton Keynes are widely known for being grossly inaccurate and if you read the wording carefully, I wouldn't be surprised if their 'source' is the fan in question. Although the club has commented too, they seem to have played it down, unlike the source who has made it sound as if the toilets were completely trashed.

My guess is that a minor amount of damage has been escalated to administer blame on AFC Wimbledon supporters by a fan of Milton Keynes in an effort to have one last barbed attack on them

The photos are now available - disgusting. The so called message board WUP for AFC fans obviously think its hilarious & acceptable behaviour. For anyone who doubts they type of supporter attending the game on Saturday just check out WUP & read back through several pages.

peacedon wrote:
The photos are now available - disgusting. The so called message board WUP for AFC fans obviously think its hilarious & acceptable behaviour. For anyone who doubts they type of supporter attending the game on Saturday just check out WUP & read back through several pages.

Yes, I agree that Ray would not have tampered with Dean. At least a lick of paint will sort that out. That toilet that was on its side looked like it fell off the wall, rather than being smashed or kicked. Looks like it needs to be plumbed in properly. I think we have had worse happen at the Hockey Stadium

typical of an AFC fan to trivialise the damage, would not have expected anything else

peacedon wrote:
typical of an AFC fan to trivialise the damage, would not have expected anything else

Yes, I agree that it shouldn't be trivialised. I just wish our stewards had caught the alleged culprits.

For those of you AFC fans who think this is all made up I can assure you that it is very much true and a disgrace to your club. If any of you had any decency you would condemn this moronic and thuggish behaviour outright, but of course you all make excuses, even up as far as Samuelson and Wheeler. Here is the local press report of the incident. This isn't one persons view. There are enough independent witnesses to corroborate it. £10,000 worth of damage. I hope AFC have deep pockets.
http://www.miltonkey
nes.co.uk/news/local
/afc-fans-dirty-prot
est-shame-1-4557310
It doesn't help you cause also when one of your own fans owns up to it on the WUP website (http://wupgb.co.uk/
).
I'll give you a couple of sample of his posts today, suitably edited of course.

Quote by BB74: "So in summary today....we have also learned the numbers 1 and 2 ... 1 is what you do when going for a sl*sh...., we have also learnt the number 2 .. as in what we did of the floor of the dongs John.
..... I'm sitting on the train laughing . And on a serious note , is that the damage ? There having a laugh ain't they , one badly plumbed in sh****r and a minor tear in a seat , that is what they are moaning about , good god , what if we had gone on a session . I'm quite disappointed if we are going to wreck something lets do it properly ..."

I'm sure the damage is easily repairable and that AFC Wimbledon will be picking up a bill from Milton Keynes sometime in the future.

It's just such a shame that any moral victory on Sunday has been lost by the actions of peple who behave like pigs. Worse still, it'll be AFC Wimbledon footing the bill and losing a big chunk of money that might have ensured League 2 survival.

jesus you are a whiney lot arent you.

1. prove it. AFC will not be paying for it unless you have cctv footage of us doing it.

2 i still dont actually see any damage, the toilets on the floor are just on the floor, not damaged, they are not smashed, they looked to have been unscrewed.

3. with the amount of lies that come out of your club i would not be surprised if you did it yourself

4. with the lies and shameless antaganising comments of your chairman before the game, it could be said this is your chairmans fault for goading us

5. expect a law suit coming your way for defamation of our club in the press

6. YOU STOLE OUR **** CLUB SO EVEN IF IT IS TRUE, ITS NO MORE THAN YOU **** DESERVE.

7. enjoy your soulless club, seriously, if that was the best support you could muster that day, i really do pity you

8. Stoneybloke. go **** yourself

one final thought. did we not say many times publicly that we did not want to play you? that for some emotions of the theft of our club were still too raw?

was it not you who were absolutely dying to play us?

was it not your chairman who publicly goaded us in the press in the build up to the game.

not being funny, but what did you think was going to happen?

once again, no one to blame but yourselves and your own chairman.

and seriously, if you do not have cctv footage of the damag occurring, you will be paying for it yourselves.

next you will be blaming us for stealing all the seats in the upper tier.

maybe your just blaming us because you cant afford to repair it yourselves seeing your in £10 million dept lol

ahhh seriously, i love your club, makes me laugh everything about it

Surely two wrongs don't make a right though? I don't particularly care for one of my neighbours but I'd be a bit disappointed in myself if I went into his home and trashed his toilet before defecating and urinating on his floor.

I'd rather show him that I was far enough above him to not do it. By engaging in that sort of behaviour, surely you've allowed yourself to be brought down to their level?

I also think you should return the 15,000 or so stolen seats, the missing cladding, the missing sections of the car park and the missing 10,000 fans that won't be seen at their next home game.

lol love the last bit of your comment

as i say though, we still have no proof of the damage.

the stickers, yes that was us, but they peel of easily

the toilet pic, looks screwed from the floor and not damaged

the seats just shows a stack of seats, this means nothing.

and the writing could have been written any time in the last 5 years.

again, no proof we actually did it

as i also said previously, i was at the game, and saw no damage at all. everyone i saw behaved well (apart from calling the MK fans scum for 2 hours of course, but hey.. thats football)

I am a regular poster on The Concrete Cowshed. Perhaps we should all take this offline and discus it like reasonable humans. Be warned though, as some of the language is industrial at times and views may not be to everyone's cup of tea!

Yes, we have no real proof (nobody caught in the act, which suprises me given the security on the day. I could see it from the home end) but something happened. I can't see how a toilet dropped off a wall but can see the argument that it does not look damaged. Maybe both clubs should come to an agreement to split the bill and write it off as experience.

donsfanNo1 wrote:
I am a regular poster on The Concrete Cowshed. Perhaps we should all take this offline and discus it like reasonable humans. Be warned though, as some of the language is industrial at times and views may not be to everyone's cup of tea!

Yes, we have no real proof (nobody caught in the act, which suprises me given the security on the day. I could see it from the home end) but something happened. I can't see how a toilet dropped off a wall but can see the argument that it does not look damaged. Maybe both clubs should come to an agreement to split the bill and write it off as experience.

Oops, error. I meant to say Concrete Roundabout

Looking through the press reports, I'll revert back to what I originally thought yesterday. Their club isn't actually making a big deal of it but their fans are. Although there may have been contact with AFC Wimbledon, I think Milton Keynes will eventually swallow it so I'll retract what I said earlier about where the bill will end up.

It only looks like a grand or so of damage to me anyway and nowhere near the £10,000 I've read about. A few screws, a bit of plumbing, some new toilet seats, a lick of paint and some disinfectant for the floor.

I've seen much worse toilets than that BEFORE a game at some grounds. In the bad old days, those toilets would have graced many an executive lounge.

P Mitchell - the damage is far more than you indicate in your post. I would assume that any official from AFC Wimbledon would want to inspect the damage & they would be welcome to

Why would Erik want to come and see it now? He boycotted Sunday and I'd imagine he'd boycott any further invitations to visit the ground.

Erik really ought to use a bit of common sense, his words & actions aren't helping AFC Wimbledon one bit

Why would anything he had to say or do regarding Milton Keynes have any adverse effect on AFC Wimbledon? If Ardley stuck him up front, I'd say there might be a problem but his view on Milton Keynes has been the same for 10 years and it hasn't hurt AFC Wimbeldon too much, has it?