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7.36am Tuesday: Morning. A new live blog has been started, so click here to follow developments in Croydon today


1.20am: Crews still fighting a number of fires in Croydon, including 20 firefighters at a blaze in London Road.


1.10am: A group of Crystal Palace residents united to see off looters


This is a video from Maciej Prokop in Croydon tonight - more of these tomorrow. Don't miss them.


1.00am: Police confirmed there was a non fatal shooting in Croydon during the looting.

They had no details of the identity of the victim but said it was not a police officer. It was unclear whether it was related to last night's rioting.

Latest reports reports suggest the situation in Croydon is easing slowly but there are still sporadic pockets of looting and disorder.

Police said all the borough had been affected with crimes taking place in New Addington, Norbury, Thornton Heath, Addiscombe and town centre.

Commander Christine Jones, said: "The violence we have seen is simply inexcusable. Ordinary people have had their lives turned upside down by this mindless thuggery. The Met will ensure that those responsible will face the consequences of their actions and be arrested."


00.12am: Your story. - Patrick Ratnaraja - I just got back from Broadgreen area and could not believe what I saw when I was there.

There were groups of young people very well organised (have all the tools they need) breaking into shops one by one.

I have never seen so many young people on the streets of West Croydon with bottles of alcohol.

There were cars parked on the side streets for those to getaway with looted items.

A van and a car was set on fire.

Best food (Tamil grocery shop).

An electronics shop near Zodiac court.

A motorcycle shop.

Londis.

A currency exchange place and of course Lidl.

The police could see what was going on but were helpless and did not move beyond the Lidl area.

Apparently now the organised gang has gone away after breaking into the exchange place. It is now the local gangs roaming around.

A young man could not carry all those bottles on his own stopped my car and even offered me a bottle of vodka free saying "just take it brother".

There is absolutely no excuse for what has happened in Broadgreen and other parts of Croydon.

We cannot blame the police as they are severely under resourced.

It is time for people to start taking responsibility. I hope parents of these young people will come forward and inform the police if they see their children with stolen goods.


Your stories - Barry Gentry.

00.07: Heading through Purley Way at 9.45am Sainsburys and TK Maxx being looted PC World had people just walking along the road with TVs in hand not even running.

Headed to the back of Centrale to See Reeves on fire with the building collapsing loads of cars parked up with a handful of police stopping people for getting past.

Headed to West Croydon there was a line of riot police blocking from the station towards the centre with smoke filling the air behind them.

I rode towards Thornton Heath to see every other shop has been broken into the road was covered in glass and waste there were people just standing around while a van was melting into the tarmac.

More towards the bus garage near the pond they were breaking into Somerfield and the TV store opposite.

Norbury KFC was smashed up the gambling shop had been ripped open and they were heading towards Streatham


23.56: Your stories - Mark Luker .

I drove up through Sumner Road at about 2100 hours and saw large groups of male youths, most covering thier lower faces and most of black ethnicity, running towards London Road.

About twenty minutes before I saw large groups running along Mitcham Road towards the BP petrol garage, most looked like they were carrying items taken from shops.


23.51pm: A member of the Reeves family has said he would not "not have been averse to shooting" the rioters who burned down his family's Croydon furniture store tonight.

Speaking to the BBC Trevor Reeves, a member of the fifth generation of the Reeves family to work at the store, said the building was now just a shell.

"What are we giong to do for the future now?" he said.

"How are we giong to keep trading and get everything sorted out?

"It's just a shell."

The shop employs 15 people.


23.16: A decision on whether Crystal Palace's Carling Cup tie against Crawley Town tomorrow night can go ahead will be made in the morning.

Meanwhile, Charlton's tie against Reading has been called off on police advice and the FA is also seeking guidance from the Met on whether England's friendly at Wembley against Holland will take place.

West Ham's game tomorrow night has also been called off.


Your Local Guardian: Reeves Corner on BBC


23.14: The building seen burning in Croydon is the borough's oldest furniture retailer.

House of Reeves has been trading for over 140 years, and is such an integral part of Croydon, the surrounding parade of shops is known as Reeves Corner.

The famous landmark in Church Street, Croydon, was targeted by rioters and looters at around 9pm. Seconds after a double-decker bus went up in flames, yobs smashed the store's doors and windows.

Groups of youths wearing hoods and masks entered the store, stealing furniture before returning and setting fire to the contents engulfing the family run store in flames.

Reeves was founded in 1867 by Edwin Reeves, from Sherborne in Dorset. Five generations of the Reeves family have run the shop which was one of the few independent furniture retailers left in London.

Marc Reeves tweeted: "That shop in Croydon is on a street that bears its name: Reeves Corner. Established by my great great grandfather in 1867. Now gone."

Your Local Guardian: Croydon Burns story pic


23.07: Croydon Guardian reporters Peter Truman and Hannah Williamson were at the House of Reeves just minutes before it went. Peter tells the story.

The black smoke plumed into the sky just metres from the buildng we stood near only minutes ago. As I near the scene I see a gang of more than a hundred youths in hoodies and masks doing as they please.

A double decker bus is engulfed in flames in Old Palace Road while youths smash windows in nearby stores in Church Street and run off with anything they can grab.

Fearing for my safety I look around for a policeman but they are nowhere to be seen. For the past hour we have seen an organised operation from gangs of youths using phones to discuss the latest hit and tales of evading police.

As they walk past they are getting messages telling where to reconvene and where to target.

We flee the scene as they start to torch other buildings and head to the nearby Argos.

The alarm blares out into the night after another gang had raided the building and made off with DVD players, MP3 players and Satnavs.

Two off-duty officers tried to tackle the yobs, but after a successful first attempt had to flee when a new group charged the store.

All around us was lawlessness with no sign of it abating and the ever-growing cloud of smoke as Reeves Corner burned into the night.


22.36pm: Community leaders have reacted with anger.

Leader of Croydon Council, Councillor Mike Fisher, said: “I am disgusted by the mindless hooliganism displayed by the criminal element that has come to Croydon.

"Businesses that have been around in Croydon for more than 100 years have been destroyed just because these morons think it is all right. The council will do all that it can to assist the police in bringing these people to book. It is simply not acceptable.”

Simon Hoar, cabinet member for community safety, said: “It is an absolute disgrace. It has nothing to do with any issues these people have. These are pure common thieves more interested in getting a free telly.”

Councillor Clare George-Hilley said: “It’s disgusting to see Croydon's historical landmarks burnt to the ground by a bunch of mindless thugs who are hell bent on destroying people’s businesses and homes.

"When you see scenes like this it’s no wonder half the country want the death penalty reintroduced.”


10.00pm: The BBC is reporting that riots are underway in Clapham. Anyone on the scene?


9.59pm: A witness tells the Croydon Guardian that driving past PC World and Comet on Purley Way, she saw gangs "piling in" and looting the stores.


9.20pm: Croydon MP Gavin Barwell has said told the BBC he thinks the riots are "sickening" as he watched pictures of the fire in Reeves Corner.

"I'm absolutely sickened to see this happening in our town and my first thought is for those who own the businesses in that area," he said.

And he said he welcomed news the Prime Minister is returning from his holiday to deal with the crisis.

"I'm very pleased the Prime Minister has taken that decision, it's entirely the right thing to do," he added.


9.13pm: Sadiq Khan has been speaking to the BBC as it showed horrendous aerial footage of Croydon as fire took hold at what is understood to be Reeves Corner.

And the Tooting MP branded the rioting in Croydon "criminality, plain and simple".

He said: "I was shopping in Croydon two days ago and walked past these shops with my wife.

"What has been good is that the police have been out in the streets trying to reassure people."


Black smoke can be seen rising from Croydon as far afield as Sutton.


20.57pm: Croydon Guardian reporter Peter Truman has filed from the scene:

Looters have targeted more businesses in Croydon with a furniture store in Old Palace Road being burgled. Lidl on London Road and Rock Bottom guitar store have also been attacked by thieves.


20.46pm: Croydon Guardian reporter Peter Truman has filed from the scene:

A double decker bus is ablaze near Reeves Corner with a large gathering of youths gathered around watching it burn.


20.30pm: Croydon Guardian reporter Hannah Williamson has filed from the scene:

Looters have raided the Argos store in Church Street.

Thieves broke into the catalogue store by smashing through the back doors in the loading bay.

Evidence of what they have taken litters the area and includes sat navs, portable cd player and camcorders.

The alarm is still ringing as hooded youths try to enter the town centre which police have sealed off.

The Maplin store next to West Croydon station has also been vandalized.

Windows were smashed but the building already had it's shutters down.


19.54pm: Croydon Guardian reporter Peter Truman has filed from the scene:

The streets around West Croydon station are in complete lockdown.

Swarms of youths in hoods and masks are confronting the police from every junction to London Road.

Bricks, bottles and sticks were thrown at the police line, who are armed with batons and riot shields.

Tactical support, in full riot gear, are also on the scene.

The police have set up a sterile zone between the Fox and Hounds pub and North End.

West Croydon station has been shut.

BBC Travel alert is reporting buses across London Road have been stopped and London Tramlink is suspended between Reeves Corner and East Croydon.


7.45pm:

One petrified motorist warned drivers to avoid the stretch of London Road leading up to West Croydon station as gangs of marauding youths in balaclavas were attacking cars.

The female motorist was driving to pick her dad up from work to avoid any trouble when she drove past the junction of Sumner Road and London Road.

She said: "Everyone should avoid London Road towards West Croydon station. There were gangs of youths with hoodies and balaclavas trying to open car doors as they went past.

"One gentleman hadn't locked his car and they tried to get in but he managed to drive away.

"Another car crashed as he swerved to avoid another vehicle. It is very dangerous down here and my heart is still thumping from the experience."


7.36pm:

Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh released this statement: "Our officers are out on duty across, and we have extra resources policing the capital. We will continue with this additional policing for as long as is necessary.

"Let me make it clear that people who are using current events as an excuse or cover to break the law, steal, attack police officers and cause fear to Londoners will not be tolerated by the vast majority of Londoners and us.

"Our investigation, which is massive in scope, is continuing. We are liaising with businesses and communities across London, including at a borough level to keep people up to date with what we are doing.

"I would ask Londoners if you know anything that may help us please get in touch with us via 020 8345 4142."


7.27pm: Croydon Guardian reporter Hannah Williamson has filed from the scene:

Around 200 youths are charging at police, throwing missiles before running away. Two rows of riot police are lining the junction of North End and London road with dangerous scenes unfolding near West Croydon station.

Sticks and pieces of stone and rock have been thrown at police. Youths are continuing to charge at police at the top of Tamworth road.

One teen who gave his name as Jermaine has been told by police he couldn't cross the line to go to his house.

He said: "Some of us are just trying to get home." Police have again moved the line of spectators back as bottles and bricks have started to be thrown.


7.57pm:

Breaking news - Croydon Guardian reporter Peter Truman has filed from the scene:

About 100 youths are in a stand off with police as police closed off North End to pedestrians. Some missiles have been thrown at the police line near London Road and youths are taunting officers as they attempt to keep people out of the borough's main shopping area.


6.28pm: Croydon Guardian reporter Peter Truman has filed from the scene:

Officers were quick to diffuse a potential disturbance in the Whitgift centre. About 15 youths in hoodies entered the centre from north end. Police and security from the centre followed and as they did the youths scattered and fled. Police officers gave chase and two boys were stopped and questioned as others made their escape. It is unclear if any arrests were made.


5.25pm: Croydon Guardian reporter Hannah Williamson has filed from the scene:

"Despite various rumours on Twitter of looting in shops and problems on transport, there has been no trouble for the police to deal with.

"Croydon High Street is on lock down as police try to stop the trouble before it starts.

"Most shops are now closed, with the grills in JJB, Debenhams, PC World and Currys firmly down against the windows.

"A few young men have been stopped and searched but it has all been very peaceful.

"Some shoppers are stopping and talking to police, though most are heading home having had their trip cut short."


Meanwhile, Streatham traders have spoken about the rioting in the area last night


Click here for a picture gallery of the aftermath of copycat rioting in south London last night


4.55pm: Click here for a full-sized image of the letter given to Croydon traders
Your Local Guardian: Small Croydon letter


4.26pm Croydon Police say they have an "appropriate policing plan" for tonight in the wake of rumours of a planned riot in the town centre.

Detective Superintendent Jo Oakley, Croydon Deputy Borough Commander said: "We are working with our partners and local businesses in Croydon and we have put in place an appropriate policing plan to tackle any disorder and deal with normal policing across the borough as well.

"This kind of mindless criminality will not be tolerated and we would urge communities to join us in condemning the actions of the violent minority and to report information about those responsible to police.

"Any information can be passed anonymously to police via Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111. "We would also ask the public to report any incidents of criminal activity - however minor - immediately to police by calling 999."


4.20pm Croydon University Hospital has released a statement about its readiness for any disorder.

The statement said: "Croydon Health Services will work with the police and Croydon Council to deal with any situation that arises and minimise any disruption.

"The Trust has robust systems to deal with major emergencies such as these and if necessary can put these into place.

"These measures include possibly drafting in further security staff to ensure our staff and patients are safe."


4.05pm The Metropolitan Police has set up an incident room following the riots over the weekend.

Operation Withern is investigating the disorder and violence in parts of London over the weekend.

Anyone with information should call the Major Investigation Team on 020 8345 4142.

The team is being led by Detective Superintendent John Sweeney, and is made up of detectives from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, specialist investigators from the Public Order Branch and police support staff.


3.50pm Our reporter on the scene Hannah Williamson has said stores in North End are closing early as a precaution.

She reports Pc World, Currys and Topshop have all closed, and JJB looked to be closing.

She added chairs outside Allders had been removed as a precaution and Debenhams had put grills across their windows.

There is a strong police presence with about 50 officers in high visibility in the area.

Our reporter says they have conducted several stop and searches already.


3.30pm Shops in Croydon have been told by the police to be extra vigilant tonight.


A letter has been distributed to stores in the Whitgift Centre.

It advises extra security staff have been drafted in as a precautionary measure.

It is telling store owners in the centre to make sure their properties are fully locked and alarmed tonight.

The centre remains open to the public.


3.30pm The London Chamber of Commerce is advising any Croydon businesses worried about being a target for looting to contact the Metropolitan police.

A spokesman said they did not want to see businesses close if they did not have to but safety was the main priority.

He added the chamber was in dialogue with the police over any new advice.

It comes as shops in Croydon report being tipped off about being a possible target for looters.

The Croydon Guardian has received reports from one store in Purley Way that it could be a target.

The store is reportedly removing its stock from the shop floor and using large stock to barricade doors tonight.

Best Buy in Purley Way was a target for looters last night.


3.05pm A worker at Best Buy in Purley way has described the break-in there last night.

According to the man, about 20 people dressed in hoodies and masks smashed the front door of the store in the early hours of the morning.

A night guard who was patrolling the building spotted the gang and called the police.

It is believed the group were in the store for no more than half an hour.

They made off with some phones but damage to the store was minimal.


2.45pm Croydon’s emergency services are discussing how best to deal with any potential trouble today.

The briefing with the Metropolitan Police began at 1pm today and is believed to still be continuing.

Among those present is Inspector Jack Ioannou, who is in charge of British Transport Police operations in Croydon.

He said the BTP would have the “correct” number of resources on hand based on intelligence and advice from the Metropolitan police following the meeting.

Key to any potential operation will be East Croydon station, which sees 60,000 people pass through its barriers a day.


2.35pm We have images coming in of the damage in Croydon last night by what the council described as "opportunistic looters".

Bright House in North End was one of the shops targeted and had its windows smashed.

Do you have any pictures of damage? Send them to pictures@lo

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2:52pm Mon 8 Aug 11

stephenkhewett says...

on 6th August you wrote:-

Latest Headlines
Croydon town centre feels safe
More police officers on the beat and a series of crime-tackling measures are helping to make Croydon town centre feel safer

That didn't last long then?
on 6th August you wrote:- Latest Headlines Croydon town centre feels safe More police officers on the beat and a series of crime-tackling measures are helping to make Croydon town centre feel safer That didn't last long then? stephenkhewett
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4:06pm Mon 8 Aug 11

carlocroydon says...

So the little wanabee looters want to join in....

Pathetic, the looting and rioting in Croydon is just an excuse for so called gangs and thugs to join in.

If there were no riots in Tottenham on Saturday we wouldn't have seen these incidents in Croydon.

Just a load of little thugs joining in.

Grow up get a life. Hope they get arrested. All this and I bet they little S**ts dont even have a clue why they are doing it?
So the little wanabee looters want to join in.... Pathetic, the looting and rioting in Croydon is just an excuse for so called gangs and thugs to join in. If there were no riots in Tottenham on Saturday we wouldn't have seen these incidents in Croydon. Just a load of little thugs joining in. Grow up get a life. Hope they get arrested. All this and I bet they little S**ts dont even have a clue why they are doing it? carlocroydon
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4:29pm Mon 8 Aug 11

squired says...

Please not in Croydon (or anywhere else for that matter). With all the gangs we apparently have I guess that is probably to much to ask for.

If anything is going on when I pass through Croydon on my way home tonight I'd be happy to assist the police in catching any of the idiots who want to ruin what little good name Croydon still has.
Please not in Croydon (or anywhere else for that matter). With all the gangs we apparently have I guess that is probably to much to ask for. If anything is going on when I pass through Croydon on my way home tonight I'd be happy to assist the police in catching any of the idiots who want to ruin what little good name Croydon still has. squired
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4:36pm Mon 8 Aug 11

MrsGee says...

Squired, I am with you! My hands are itching already, mindless, brainless sh*ts!
Squired, I am with you! My hands are itching already, mindless, brainless sh*ts! MrsGee
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4:38pm Mon 8 Aug 11

I Despair says...

"An appropriate policing plan to tackle any disorder."
Let's hope they get disposed of in jail for many years. Scourge of the minority (?) of English youth today -the uneducated, brain-dead, gormless, foul-mouthed, can't-put-two-words together idiots that you have to see and hear everywhere you go. No wonder all my friends dream of getting out.
"An appropriate policing plan to tackle any disorder." Let's hope they get disposed of in jail for many years. Scourge of the minority (?) of English youth today -the uneducated, brain-dead, gormless, foul-mouthed, can't-put-two-words together idiots that you have to see and hear everywhere you go. No wonder all my friends dream of getting out. I Despair
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7:00pm Mon 8 Aug 11

AdrianW says...

Those wanting to this might lack brains but they have no shortage of greed and modern technology helps them to organise. Perhaps there will be a backlash with citizens also getting organised in order to try and protect their businesses and homes, as we can't expect the police to be everywhere.
Those wanting to this might lack brains but they have no shortage of greed and modern technology helps them to organise. Perhaps there will be a backlash with citizens also getting organised in order to try and protect their businesses and homes, as we can't expect the police to be everywhere. AdrianW
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7:55pm Mon 8 Aug 11

th-croydon says...

Immature, brainless, stupid louts!
who seem to take great pleasure in causing havoc and fear into people.
But the only way that they feel brave is to do it in groups...not so brave to do it alone are they?

I bet if each of them where asked individually why they are doing it, they wouldnt have an answer.

It sure makes you proud to be British doest it!
Immature, brainless, stupid louts! who seem to take great pleasure in causing havoc and fear into people. But the only way that they feel brave is to do it in groups...not so brave to do it alone are they? I bet if each of them where asked individually why they are doing it, they wouldnt have an answer. It sure makes you proud to be British doest it! th-croydon
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7:59pm Mon 8 Aug 11

tonyg 1 says...

I think the police should go in heavy handed, tear gas and stun guns, they treat croydon like s**t, treat them like s**t. We left croydon 11 years ago and I can't believe what a dump croydon has become, I wouldn't move back there for anything and would advise any decent people thinking of leaving to do so as fast as they can.
I think the police should go in heavy handed, tear gas and stun guns, they treat croydon like s**t, treat them like s**t. We left croydon 11 years ago and I can't believe what a dump croydon has become, I wouldn't move back there for anything and would advise any decent people thinking of leaving to do so as fast as they can. tonyg 1
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8:24pm Mon 8 Aug 11

grahamtania says...

I was Born in Lewisham, moved to Croydon when I was 3 over 40 years ago. after trying to raise my children in Croydon we decided to move Im sure like so many.Now living in Berkshire how many more true londoners have moved out. Tears in my eyes to see London being taken over
I was Born in Lewisham, moved to Croydon when I was 3 over 40 years ago. after trying to raise my children in Croydon we decided to move Im sure like so many.Now living in Berkshire how many more true londoners have moved out. Tears in my eyes to see London being taken over grahamtania
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8:41pm Mon 8 Aug 11

nafarius says...

this country is a joke!! I am just wondering, when all British people will open their eyes and stop that tolerance ****! Britain needs war! seriously. And give cops some fire power, now they are just clowns..
this country is a joke!! I am just wondering, when all British people will open their eyes and stop that tolerance ****! Britain needs war! seriously. And give cops some fire power, now they are just clowns.. nafarius
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8:52pm Mon 8 Aug 11

paul90 says...

I've just driven up subner road and across london road and I was shocked to see the scenes where shops had been done over with more youths joining the riots! also seeing a van with gun shots through the front screen while sat at the lights was not a nice thing to witness!
I've just driven up subner road and across london road and I was shocked to see the scenes where shops had been done over with more youths joining the riots! also seeing a van with gun shots through the front screen while sat at the lights was not a nice thing to witness! paul90
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9:00pm Mon 8 Aug 11

ashjcc says...

Sad sad day for Britain. Glad to be away from the country at the moment. For shame, you hoodlums. For shame.
Sad sad day for Britain. Glad to be away from the country at the moment. For shame, you hoodlums. For shame. ashjcc
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9:22pm Mon 8 Aug 11

blame the politicians says...

This is what our goverment has created..parents have had the right to control their family homes and children taken away from them by various goverment agencies and this is the result. Our youths have been raised to believe they are untouchable and protected by our goverment. Parents rights to discipline their children has been taken away by our "Nanny State".

How do you expect the parents to control ther children when they risk "assault charges" and all sorts of nonsense laws that have been created by our goverment under the title of "human rights" that has been so munipulated that this is the consequences.

If the parents where to go out on the streets and try to take control of their kids what would the situation be.."take then home but dont use force, dont hurt there feelings etc or we shall prosecute you later!!!....THIS IS THE MONSTROUS CONSEQUENCES OF THE LACK OF RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY THAT BEGINS......AT HOME..THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR GOVERMENTAL NANNY STATE...NOW WHAT WILL THEY DO!!.
This is what our goverment has created..parents have had the right to control their family homes and children taken away from them by various goverment agencies and this is the result. Our youths have been raised to believe they are untouchable and protected by our goverment. Parents rights to discipline their children has been taken away by our "Nanny State". How do you expect the parents to control ther children when they risk "assault charges" and all sorts of nonsense laws that have been created by our goverment under the title of "human rights" that has been so munipulated that this is the consequences. If the parents where to go out on the streets and try to take control of their kids what would the situation be.."take then home but dont use force, dont hurt there feelings etc or we shall prosecute you later!!!....THIS IS THE MONSTROUS CONSEQUENCES OF THE LACK OF RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY THAT BEGINS......AT HOME..THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR GOVERMENTAL NANNY STATE...NOW WHAT WILL THEY DO!!. blame the politicians
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9:23pm Mon 8 Aug 11

blame the politicians says...

This is what our goverment has created..parents have had the right to control their family homes and children taken away from them by various goverment agencies and this is the result. Our youths have been raised to believe they are untouchable and protected by our goverment. Parents rights to discipline their children has been taken away by our "Nanny State".

How do you expect the parents to control ther children when they risk "assault charges" and all sorts of nonsense laws that have been created by our goverment under the title of "human rights" that has been so munipulated that this is the consequences.

If the parents where to go out on the streets and try to take control of their kids what would the situation be.."take then home but dont use force, dont hurt there feelings etc or we shall prosecute you later!!!....THIS IS THE MONSTROUS CONSEQUENCES OF THE LACK OF RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY THAT BEGINS......AT HOME..THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR GOVERMENTAL NANNY STATE...NOW WHAT WILL THEY DO!!.
This is what our goverment has created..parents have had the right to control their family homes and children taken away from them by various goverment agencies and this is the result. Our youths have been raised to believe they are untouchable and protected by our goverment. Parents rights to discipline their children has been taken away by our "Nanny State". How do you expect the parents to control ther children when they risk "assault charges" and all sorts of nonsense laws that have been created by our goverment under the title of "human rights" that has been so munipulated that this is the consequences. If the parents where to go out on the streets and try to take control of their kids what would the situation be.."take then home but dont use force, dont hurt there feelings etc or we shall prosecute you later!!!....THIS IS THE MONSTROUS CONSEQUENCES OF THE LACK OF RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY THAT BEGINS......AT HOME..THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR GOVERMENTAL NANNY STATE...NOW WHAT WILL THEY DO!!. blame the politicians
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9:25pm Mon 8 Aug 11

Adam McArthur says...

Who to blame for the riots:-

Conservatives for: Slashing Police numbers. Labour party for: Forcing our Police to take Common Purpose Training, which has softened them up and made them useless. Both parties for: Sending our troops to neverending wars and making our country absolutely feeble.

British Constitution Group/Lawful Rebellion/Britain First.
Who to blame for the riots:- Conservatives for: Slashing Police numbers. Labour party for: Forcing our Police to take Common Purpose Training, which has softened them up and made them useless. Both parties for: Sending our troops to neverending wars and making our country absolutely feeble. British Constitution Group/Lawful Rebellion/Britain First. Adam McArthur
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9:42pm Mon 8 Aug 11

random0987 says...

why the hell is the reeves corner shop still at high blaze with the fire station just over the road,yet no fire fighters any where to be seen ??????
why the hell is the reeves corner shop still at high blaze with the fire station just over the road,yet no fire fighters any where to be seen ?????? random0987
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9:47pm Mon 8 Aug 11

Mistrix636 says...

I don't know weather I want to feel angry or sad at the moment, but I know one thing. These thugs, for that's what they are, are NOT going to run Croydon's name in to the ground. Croydon has it's problems, like EVERYWHERE else. However, the majority of people are strong, hard working, dependable, kind and generous people. We will NOT let this get us down, we will rebuild and we can show the same spirit Londoners did after the July 7th bombings. You break our windows, steal our goods and burn down 200 year old buildings and homes but you will NOT destroy our spirit.
I don't know weather I want to feel angry or sad at the moment, but I know one thing. These thugs, for that's what they are, are NOT going to run Croydon's name in to the ground. Croydon has it's problems, like EVERYWHERE else. However, the majority of people are strong, hard working, dependable, kind and generous people. We will NOT let this get us down, we will rebuild and we can show the same spirit Londoners did after the July 7th bombings. You break our windows, steal our goods and burn down 200 year old buildings and homes but you will NOT destroy our spirit. Mistrix636
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9:57pm Mon 8 Aug 11

Melony says...

The only reason these riots are happening is because of the government. The youth have been made to feel as though they are trapped. It is about time they stood up for theirselves. Taking away ema, planning to take away oyster is making the situation worse. It is so hard for decent people to even find a job these days let alone people that have troubled backgrounds!
The only reason these riots are happening is because of the government. The youth have been made to feel as though they are trapped. It is about time they stood up for theirselves. Taking away ema, planning to take away oyster is making the situation worse. It is so hard for decent people to even find a job these days let alone people that have troubled backgrounds! Melony
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9:58pm Mon 8 Aug 11

Bob Peel says...

Well that oxygen thief Gavin Barwell and all his minor political councillor clones will all be earning their money talking about this and writing letters to our local papers. Well they don't know best now do they?

If you want to do the Croydon Public at large a favour get out on the street and talk to the rioters and bore them to death like you do everyone else so they go home - the hot air might even extinguish the flames.
Well that oxygen thief Gavin Barwell and all his minor political councillor clones will all be earning their money talking about this and writing letters to our local papers. Well they don't know best now do they? If you want to do the Croydon Public at large a favour get out on the street and talk to the rioters and bore them to death like you do everyone else so they go home - the hot air might even extinguish the flames. Bob Peel
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9:58pm Mon 8 Aug 11

Bob Peel says...

Well that oxygen thief Gavin Barwell and all his minor political councillor clones will all be earning their money talking about this and writing letters to our local papers. Well they don't know best now do they?

If you want to do the Croydon Public at large a favour get out on the street and talk to the rioters and bore them to death like you do everyone else so they go home - the hot air might even extinguish the flames.
Well that oxygen thief Gavin Barwell and all his minor political councillor clones will all be earning their money talking about this and writing letters to our local papers. Well they don't know best now do they? If you want to do the Croydon Public at large a favour get out on the street and talk to the rioters and bore them to death like you do everyone else so they go home - the hot air might even extinguish the flames. Bob Peel
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10:07pm Mon 8 Aug 11

Jonny English says...

It's time for rubber bullets and zero tolerance. Bring in the army and teach these idiots some rules.
It's time for rubber bullets and zero tolerance. Bring in the army and teach these idiots some rules. Jonny English
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10:13pm Mon 8 Aug 11

MikeyF says...

Send these little mindless b**tards to jail and throw away the keys ... It has nothing to do with majority of youth it's a small amount.

What they done in Croydon and around London makes me a shamed to be British .... They need water cannons, army and plastic bullets to deal with this scum.....

PPl need to stop making excuses and support capital punishment and send the trouble makers into the army and then deploy them on the front lines ! Let's see how brave they are then ?
Send these little mindless b**tards to jail and throw away the keys ... It has nothing to do with majority of youth it's a small amount. What they done in Croydon and around London makes me a shamed to be British .... They need water cannons, army and plastic bullets to deal with this scum..... PPl need to stop making excuses and support capital punishment and send the trouble makers into the army and then deploy them on the front lines ! Let's see how brave they are then ? MikeyF
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10:19pm Mon 8 Aug 11

thedukeofchoz says...

In a time of crisis, the summary of the above comments shows just how well balanced the 'normal' British public are.

This is not about the government or about jobs etc, this is about a complete lack of respect for people, humanity and the country within which we live.

Regardless of anybody's view of the police, who would want to be in their shoes in their right mind tonight - They have a thankless task, born out of this increasingly disrespectful section of our community.

The comments regarding going in harder I totally support and I would not have any issue with every single one of these idiots being tasar'd until they could not move.

Time to send in the army and to stand up and be counted. Softly, softly just does not work any more, respect is dead.
In a time of crisis, the summary of the above comments shows just how well balanced the 'normal' British public are. This is not about the government or about jobs etc, this is about a complete lack of respect for people, humanity and the country within which we live. Regardless of anybody's view of the police, who would want to be in their shoes in their right mind tonight - They have a thankless task, born out of this increasingly disrespectful section of our community. The comments regarding going in harder I totally support and I would not have any issue with every single one of these idiots being tasar'd until they could not move. Time to send in the army and to stand up and be counted. Softly, softly just does not work any more, respect is dead. thedukeofchoz
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10:26pm Mon 8 Aug 11

Jonny English says...

It's time for rubber bullets and zero tolerance. Bring in the army and teach these idiots some rules.
It's time for rubber bullets and zero tolerance. Bring in the army and teach these idiots some rules. Jonny English
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10:31pm Mon 8 Aug 11

TomasDuff says...

I am in Jury's Inn. Youths trying to break into shopping centre across road & no police in sight!
I am in Jury's Inn. Youths trying to break into shopping centre across road & no police in sight! TomasDuff
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10:32pm Mon 8 Aug 11

TomasDuff says...

I am in Jury's Inn. Youths trying to break into shopping centre across road & no police in sight!
I am in Jury's Inn. Youths trying to break into shopping centre across road & no police in sight! TomasDuff
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10:34pm Mon 8 Aug 11

MikeyF says...

Theduke, spot on ! And as for ray prime stop talking out your backside!
Theduke, spot on ! And as for ray prime stop talking out your backside! MikeyF
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10:40pm Mon 8 Aug 11

stopitnow says...

This is very well organised all this disruption at the same time! Saw a gang of 10 kids looking at shop in south croydon near toby lodge. They pretended to be at bus station then a car turned up, spoke to them and they ran back towards croydon along brigton road! Was hanging on the phone to 999 for 7 mins and not a response, They looked at the ATM and ran off.
Small group of idiots who are being organised by a group or groups of people who are taking advantage of this situation. This is more stealing to order than anarchy. Then getting the idiots to burn the shops they rob so no evidence! Why are the police doing nothing and letting it burn!! If this was an anti war match people would have been kettled and contained.
Why do they want them to carry on?! do they want to bring in a new law or say they don't have existing powers! People need to realised police are allowed to contain and hold suspects now, they should use all the existings laws. I know the police are extreamly busy, and must be very tired after the third day. Good luck to them, and I hope they take control of this situtation without going too crazy.
I am scared too!
This is very well organised all this disruption at the same time! Saw a gang of 10 kids looking at shop in south croydon near toby lodge. They pretended to be at bus station then a car turned up, spoke to them and they ran back towards croydon along brigton road! Was hanging on the phone to 999 for 7 mins and not a response, They looked at the ATM and ran off. Small group of idiots who are being organised by a group or groups of people who are taking advantage of this situation. This is more stealing to order than anarchy. Then getting the idiots to burn the shops they rob so no evidence! Why are the police doing nothing and letting it burn!! If this was an anti war match people would have been kettled and contained. Why do they want them to carry on?! do they want to bring in a new law or say they don't have existing powers! People need to realised police are allowed to contain and hold suspects now, they should use all the existings laws. I know the police are extreamly busy, and must be very tired after the third day. Good luck to them, and I hope they take control of this situtation without going too crazy. I am scared too! stopitnow
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10:46pm Mon 8 Aug 11

tonyg 1 says...

ray prime i'm with u, p.c. hasn't got us any where, time for a change, edl bnp need i say more??
ray prime i'm with u, p.c. hasn't got us any where, time for a change, edl bnp need i say more?? tonyg 1
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10:57pm Mon 8 Aug 11

robking says...

Ray Prime you are a fool, the present government has been in power only 15 months. A coalition not just Tories before that Labour were in power 13 years.

I doubt that many of these rioters are Muslims, more like people who were born here or have been here many years since they were small kids.

What is needed is a strong response from the courts and prison service. These criminals should be handed long prison sentances and prisons should be a lot tougher than they are.
Ray Prime you are a fool, the present government has been in power only 15 months. A coalition not just Tories before that Labour were in power 13 years. I doubt that many of these rioters are Muslims, more like people who were born here or have been here many years since they were small kids. What is needed is a strong response from the courts and prison service. These criminals should be handed long prison sentances and prisons should be a lot tougher than they are. robking
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11:33pm Mon 8 Aug 11

Jonny English says...

Forget the rubber bullets let them have live rounds. They want to live like dogs then put em down like dogs. what are they doing to our towns and livelihoods.
Forget the rubber bullets let them have live rounds. They want to live like dogs then put em down like dogs. what are they doing to our towns and livelihoods. Jonny English
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11:41pm Mon 8 Aug 11

th-croydon says...

I live around the Croydon area, and feel so shocked at the scenes I am watching on the news now.
We have to stop making exscuses for these idiots, i.e police, news storys, government cuts, bad childhood etc etc and have to just realise that there are just bad apples around...they are nasty evil people that need to be STOPPED and dealt with in the most serious way possible, I for one have had enough of hearing all the exscuses for why this is happening, there is NO exscuse, and nobody will convince me otherwise.

Also there seems to be a lot about "where are the police", for gods sake these officers are running around from one end to the other, and while trying to contain the yobs they are also trying to protect firemen, members of public and other police officers...give them a break.
I live around the Croydon area, and feel so shocked at the scenes I am watching on the news now. We have to stop making exscuses for these idiots, i.e police, news storys, government cuts, bad childhood etc etc and have to just realise that there are just bad apples around...they are nasty evil people that need to be STOPPED and dealt with in the most serious way possible, I for one have had enough of hearing all the exscuses for why this is happening, there is NO exscuse, and nobody will convince me otherwise. Also there seems to be a lot about "where are the police", for gods sake these officers are running around from one end to the other, and while trying to contain the yobs they are also trying to protect firemen, members of public and other police officers...give them a break. th-croydon
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11:46pm Mon 8 Aug 11

David1099 says...

I have lived in Croydon most of my life and it was on the lines to be very cosmopolitan, but alias the youth of today, who are unemployed having to draw the dole, smoking a bit of weed having a drink or two, well wake up and smell the roses and do what the majority have done!edge- get a job and stop trying to get something for nothing.

One last point where are the police? in my day you could not get away with anything like this.

Croydon Council sort this out before it comes a cesspit.
I have lived in Croydon most of my life and it was on the lines to be very cosmopolitan, but alias the youth of today, who are unemployed having to draw the dole, smoking a bit of weed having a drink or two, well wake up and smell the roses and do what the majority have done!edge- get a job and stop trying to get something for nothing. One last point where are the police? in my day you could not get away with anything like this. Croydon Council sort this out before it comes a cesspit. David1099
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11:52pm Mon 8 Aug 11

David1099 says...

I have lived in Croydon most of my life and it was on the lines to be very cosmopolitan, but alias the youth of today, who are unemployed having to draw the dole, smoking a bit of weed having a drink or two, well wake up and smell the roses and do what the majority have done! get a job and stop trying to get something for nothing.

One last point where are the police? in my day you could not get away with anything like this.

Croydon Council sort this out before it comes a cesspit.
I have lived in Croydon most of my life and it was on the lines to be very cosmopolitan, but alias the youth of today, who are unemployed having to draw the dole, smoking a bit of weed having a drink or two, well wake up and smell the roses and do what the majority have done! get a job and stop trying to get something for nothing. One last point where are the police? in my day you could not get away with anything like this. Croydon Council sort this out before it comes a cesspit. David1099
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12:05am Tue 9 Aug 11

chynna93 says...

As we were coming home from reeves corner, just before currys in purley way got done we saw all the people going over to currys crossing the road with bandannas on and hoods up rushing over there.

After this we went down selsdon high street to go home and heard smashing and banging. I hear the post office in Selsdon got looted.
As we were coming home from reeves corner, just before currys in purley way got done we saw all the people going over to currys crossing the road with bandannas on and hoods up rushing over there. After this we went down selsdon high street to go home and heard smashing and banging. I hear the post office in Selsdon got looted. chynna93
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12:19am Tue 9 Aug 11

Jonny English says...

Mr Cameron, Please make the thugs who did this pay and pay severly.
If they want to live like this maybe a three year tour of Helmand Province where they can stand alongside real
men that have respect and balls. Feel very angry at the level of response or lack of from the Police. Gutted for the Reeves brothers, done work for them in the past and to see their business suffer that is sickening.
Mr Cameron, Please make the thugs who did this pay and pay severly. If they want to live like this maybe a three year tour of Helmand Province where they can stand alongside real men that have respect and balls. Feel very angry at the level of response or lack of from the Police. Gutted for the Reeves brothers, done work for them in the past and to see their business suffer that is sickening. Jonny English
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12:34am Tue 9 Aug 11

Jonny English says...

Mr Cameron, Please make the thugs who did this pay and pay severly.
If they want to live like this maybe a three year tour of Helmand Province where they can stand alongside real
men that have respect and balls. Feel very angry at the level of response or lack of from the Police. Gutted for the Reeves brothers, done work for them in the past and to see their business suffer that is sickening.
Mr Cameron, Please make the thugs who did this pay and pay severly. If they want to live like this maybe a three year tour of Helmand Province where they can stand alongside real men that have respect and balls. Feel very angry at the level of response or lack of from the Police. Gutted for the Reeves brothers, done work for them in the past and to see their business suffer that is sickening. Jonny English
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1:07am Tue 9 Aug 11

Charlotte L says...

Enough of this inadequateness displayed by the police; they need the army to assist them, & they need water cannons & rubber bullets - zero tolerance to criminal scum!!!
Enough of this inadequateness displayed by the police; they need the army to assist them, & they need water cannons & rubber bullets - zero tolerance to criminal scum!!! Charlotte L
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3:45am Tue 9 Aug 11

MsWereIsthelove says...

I have lived in Croydon for over 10 years. I have never felt so heart broken by the events overnight.

Two images that will stay with me forever a lady jumping from a window into the arms of bystanders and finally the Reeves Furniture store on fire.

A very sad day for Croydon.

It's unbelievable I never thought I would ever see this in my lifetime.

Croydon will rise from the ashes!
I have lived in Croydon for over 10 years. I have never felt so heart broken by the events overnight. Two images that will stay with me forever a lady jumping from a window into the arms of bystanders and finally the Reeves Furniture store on fire. A very sad day for Croydon. It's unbelievable I never thought I would ever see this in my lifetime. Croydon will rise from the ashes! MsWereIsthelove
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10:49am Tue 9 Aug 11

blame the politicians says...

Melony wrote:
The only reason these riots are happening is because of the government. The youth have been made to feel as though they are trapped. It is about time they stood up for theirselves. Taking away ema, planning to take away oyster is making the situation worse. It is so hard for decent people to even find a job these days let alone people that have troubled backgrounds!
What a load of nonsense!..THIS ATTITUDE is what is wrong!!

There are children in many underdeveloped parts of the world who are really "suffering" yet they do not act like a pack of animals!! they humbly do what they need to do!.

So according to some individuals the "poor "kids are being pushed over the top by have their oyster card and other privilages taken away!!!!!! it's incredible that people are so "dumbed down" little clones who cannot think for themselves and only echoe what they have been comnditioned to believe!!!..Incredib
le!!
[quote][p][bold]Melony[/bold] wrote: The only reason these riots are happening is because of the government. The youth have been made to feel as though they are trapped. It is about time they stood up for theirselves. Taking away ema, planning to take away oyster is making the situation worse. It is so hard for decent people to even find a job these days let alone people that have troubled backgrounds![/p][/quote]What a load of nonsense!..THIS ATTITUDE is what is wrong!! There are children in many underdeveloped parts of the world who are really "suffering" yet they do not act like a pack of animals!! they humbly do what they need to do!. So according to some individuals the "poor "kids are being pushed over the top by have their oyster card and other privilages taken away!!!!!! it's incredible that people are so "dumbed down" little clones who cannot think for themselves and only echoe what they have been comnditioned to believe!!!..Incredib le!! blame the politicians
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7:49pm Tue 9 Aug 11

citygirl101 says...

Melony,

you really are as stupid as your name suggests!

This has nothing to do with anything the government has done. How on earth does burning to the ground businesses and residential properties got anything to do with government.

Stealing things from Primark and Poundland, yeah, the government are scared!

Your as pathetic as the people hiding behind a mask.

Are you honestly calling these decent people? So many people come from a difficult background and do not resort to this behaviour.

You are disgusting for excusing and defending this behaviour, I hope you all those responsible rot in hell and get the s**t kicked out of you on the way down!
Melony, you really are as stupid as your name suggests! This has nothing to do with anything the government has done. How on earth does burning to the ground businesses and residential properties got anything to do with government. Stealing things from Primark and Poundland, yeah, the government are scared! Your as pathetic as the people hiding behind a mask. Are you honestly calling these decent people? So many people come from a difficult background and do not resort to this behaviour. You are disgusting for excusing and defending this behaviour, I hope you all those responsible rot in hell and get the s**t kicked out of you on the way down! citygirl101
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7:50pm Tue 9 Aug 11

citygirl101 says...

Melony,

you really are as stupid as your name suggests!

This has nothing to do with anything the government has done. How on earth does burning to the ground businesses and residential properties got anything to do with government.

Stealing things from Primark and Poundland, yeah, the government are scared!

Your as pathetic as the people hiding behind a mask.

Are you honestly calling these decent people? So many people come from a difficult background and do not resort to this behaviour.

You are disgusting for excusing and defending this behaviour, I hope you all those responsible rot in hell and get the s**t kicked out of you on the way down!
Melony, you really are as stupid as your name suggests! This has nothing to do with anything the government has done. How on earth does burning to the ground businesses and residential properties got anything to do with government. Stealing things from Primark and Poundland, yeah, the government are scared! Your as pathetic as the people hiding behind a mask. Are you honestly calling these decent people? So many people come from a difficult background and do not resort to this behaviour. You are disgusting for excusing and defending this behaviour, I hope you all those responsible rot in hell and get the s**t kicked out of you on the way down! citygirl101
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7:52pm Tue 9 Aug 11

citygirl101 says...

Melony,

you really are as stupid as your name suggests!

This has nothing to do with anything the government has done. How on earth does burning to the ground businesses and residential properties got anything to do with government.

Stealing things from Primark and Poundland, yeah, the government are scared!

Your as pathetic as the people hiding behind a mask.

Are you honestly calling these decent people? So many people come from a difficult background and do not resort to this behaviour.

You are disgusting for excusing and defending this behaviour, I hope you all those responsible rot in hell and get the s*** kicked out of you on the way down!
Melony, you really are as stupid as your name suggests! This has nothing to do with anything the government has done. How on earth does burning to the ground businesses and residential properties got anything to do with government. Stealing things from Primark and Poundland, yeah, the government are scared! Your as pathetic as the people hiding behind a mask. Are you honestly calling these decent people? So many people come from a difficult background and do not resort to this behaviour. You are disgusting for excusing and defending this behaviour, I hope you all those responsible rot in hell and get the s*** kicked out of you on the way down! citygirl101
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8:06am Wed 10 Aug 11

Brian Sewer2 says...

Am i glad i moved out or what i said i moved from croy to get away from gang culture an crime even though i was attacked on hear by floater tom an ann same person who said i was wrong an croy was a great place 2 live house prices will drop thru the floor now over there go do 1 now tom !
Am i glad i moved out or what i said i moved from croy to get away from gang culture an crime even though i was attacked on hear by floater tom an ann same person who said i was wrong an croy was a great place 2 live house prices will drop thru the floor now over there go do 1 now tom ! Brian Sewer2
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8:36pm Sat 13 Aug 11

th-croydon says...

Melony,
So what your saying is that these riots are ok then, because the EMA and oyster cards have been taken away...
Well, EMA was there for students to buy books, pens etc, isnt it funny that we have not seen anyone looting a book store of any kind!!! but we have seen plenty looting electical goods stores and sports stores, so please do let us all know how looting these kind of stores (or any kind) has anything to do with EMA or oyster cards.
Another things the EMA was set in place for hard working students who attended everyday and got good marks...majority of the students did attend everyday, but only to get a signature from the tutor in the morning to say that they had attended and then they would vanish out of the building for all lessons and then return at the end of the day so that they could get another signature, (because without the signature they could not claim the EMA).
So really that was just another money making scheme for some of these so called students, there is no excuse for these yobs whom went on the rampage just for there own gain, just to see what they could get free, its not the fault of the govenment, police, teachers, news headlines and any other excuses some will come out with.
They all need to take responsibility for there actions and pay the consequences.
Melony, So what your saying is that these riots are ok then, because the EMA and oyster cards have been taken away... Well, EMA was there for students to buy books, pens etc, isnt it funny that we have not seen anyone looting a book store of any kind!!! but we have seen plenty looting electical goods stores and sports stores, so please do let us all know how looting these kind of stores (or any kind) has anything to do with EMA or oyster cards. Another things the EMA was set in place for hard working students who attended everyday and got good marks...majority of the students did attend everyday, but only to get a signature from the tutor in the morning to say that they had attended and then they would vanish out of the building for all lessons and then return at the end of the day so that they could get another signature, (because without the signature they could not claim the EMA). So really that was just another money making scheme for some of these so called students, there is no excuse for these yobs whom went on the rampage just for there own gain, just to see what they could get free, its not the fault of the govenment, police, teachers, news headlines and any other excuses some will come out with. They all need to take responsibility for there actions and pay the consequences. th-croydon
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