Renewed hope for Crystal Palace tram

Your Local Guardian: Scrapped plans to extend the existing Croydon Tramlink to Crystal Palace could be resurrected Scrapped plans to extend the existing Croydon Tramlink to Crystal Palace could be resurrected

Trams may yet come to Crystal Palace after the Mayor of London announced his support for the scheme he previously scrapped.

Boris Johnson was rounded on by Crystal Palace residents and businesses for abandoning the Tramlink extension plans last November.

At the time he blamed a £170m funding black hole left by former mayor Ken Livingstone.

But as pressure mounted from Mr Livingstone, councillors and Croydon Central MP Andrew Pelling, Mr Johnson has joined them in trying to gain funding for the extension.

In a letter to Mr Pelling, Mr Johnson said deciding to scrap the scheme was “tough”, adding: “I sincerely hope that the funds will be provided to make this happen, and I am happy to work with you and other key local stakeholders to lobby for this scheme.”

Mr Johnson said Transport for London would conduct a wider study of those boroughs affected as part of plans.

Ray Hall, chairman of Crystal Palace and Norwood Chamber of Commerce, said: “For South London to thrive, Crystal Palace, with its world class name, has to be a destination on the world stage.

“The Tramlink extension is vital to that end. I would be pleased to join in any discussion that could help make it happen.”

What do you think of the extension? Leave your comments below.

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2:45pm Tue 6 Jan 09

squired says...

I was under the impression that completing the extension would have required money from central government, but that they weren't willing to commit such money due to the mess they are in with public finances. Thus Ken and any other mayor would have been unable to proceed with the extension either.
I was under the impression that completing the extension would have required money from central government, but that they weren't willing to commit such money due to the mess they are in with public finances. Thus Ken and any other mayor would have been unable to proceed with the extension either. squired

2:57pm Tue 6 Jan 09

ANNE GILES says...

The extension will be a good idea.
The extension will be a good idea. ANNE GILES

3:05pm Tue 6 Jan 09

scoffer says...

Shelve it!! there's no money around!!
Shelve it!! there's no money around!! scoffer

9:36pm Tue 6 Jan 09

ANNE GILES says...

They have probably suddenly found some money. It happens. They were looking in the wrong pocket.
They have probably suddenly found some money. It happens. They were looking in the wrong pocket. ANNE GILES

1:07pm Mon 12 Jan 09

Steve Sawko says...

The rationale behind this massively expensive extension is unclear and the methods employed by those backing the proposal to justify it are questionable. The original MORI poll concluded that the vast majority of people in the Crystal Palace area considered the existing transport facilities in the area as very good or better and, with a railway station with services to both London Victoria and London Bridge and the capital’s second largest bus terminus, this is certainly true. Of course, when asked whether they would like a Tramlink extension too, most respondents also said “yes”.

Unfortunately, the information the MORI survey team did not provide when asking this question (although they knew it would be the case), was that the people of Crystal Palace would have to sacrifice some of their existing train services, should the tram be built! It was, therefore, a rather underhand way to ask the question and, I suggest, it renders the results of the survey unreliable.

The scheme is an expensive waste of money and an unnecessary threat to Grade II* Listed Park Land given the existing transport links in the area. And for those local businesses which believe it will be good for their business because it will improve transport facilities between Croydon and Crystal Palace, they should consider that schoolboy level economics provides the proof that improving transport communications between two centres, one large and one small, will always lead to a net loss of business to the smaller centre and a net gain of business to the larger centre.

There is no financial, business or social justification for the proposed Tramlink extension to Crystal Palace.
The rationale behind this massively expensive extension is unclear and the methods employed by those backing the proposal to justify it are questionable. The original MORI poll concluded that the vast majority of people in the Crystal Palace area considered the existing transport facilities in the area as very good or better and, with a railway station with services to both London Victoria and London Bridge and the capital’s second largest bus terminus, this is certainly true. Of course, when asked whether they would like a Tramlink extension too, most respondents also said “yes”. Unfortunately, the information the MORI survey team did not provide when asking this question (although they knew it would be the case), was that the people of Crystal Palace would have to sacrifice some of their existing train services, should the tram be built! It was, therefore, a rather underhand way to ask the question and, I suggest, it renders the results of the survey unreliable. The scheme is an expensive waste of money and an unnecessary threat to Grade II* Listed Park Land given the existing transport links in the area. And for those local businesses which believe it will be good for their business because it will improve transport facilities between Croydon and Crystal Palace, they should consider that schoolboy level economics provides the proof that improving transport communications between two centres, one large and one small, will always lead to a net loss of business to the smaller centre and a net gain of business to the larger centre. There is no financial, business or social justification for the proposed Tramlink extension to Crystal Palace. Steve Sawko

10:27pm Thu 15 Jan 09

willonthehill says...

Although the tram may well work in and around Croydon, it does seem ridiculous to provide us with a majorly expensive new tram route that is essentially the same as perfectly good rail links that are in fact quicker. They would have to run up an already busy and congested through road (which would not carry less traffic as a result as it is a major through route rather than a replacement route into Croydon) and through and very near local residents backyards that are currently very peaceful backroads, through a Grade II* listed park, and will cost a fortune. The local business people who are supporting this are deluded - it will cost taxpayers a fortune for little if any benefit, and will severely annoy local residents. Great way to ensure customers local business people - by backing unpopular schemes. Well done. If it ever gets built I will use it - to take my money away from Palace and in to Croydon!
Although the tram may well work in and around Croydon, it does seem ridiculous to provide us with a majorly expensive new tram route that is essentially the same as perfectly good rail links that are in fact quicker. They would have to run up an already busy and congested through road (which would not carry less traffic as a result as it is a major through route rather than a replacement route into Croydon) and through and very near local residents backyards that are currently very peaceful backroads, through a Grade II* listed park, and will cost a fortune. The local business people who are supporting this are deluded - it will cost taxpayers a fortune for little if any benefit, and will severely annoy local residents. Great way to ensure customers local business people - by backing unpopular schemes. Well done. If it ever gets built I will use it - to take my money away from Palace and in to Croydon! willonthehill
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