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Twickenham's only strip club in doubt after licence refusal

Peek hours: The Piano Lounge is now the Playhouse Gentleman's Club Peek hours: The Piano Lounge is now the Playhouse Gentleman's Club

The only strip club in Twickenham could be completely closed down after Richmond Council refused a new sex establishment venue licence application for the venue this week.

Residents have continually opposed the Playhouse Gentleman’s club, formerly the Piano Lounge, in King’s Street Parade, but their struggle could be over after the decision on Monday, January 23, at York House.

The 10-year battle between residents and licence holder Walter Angliss came to a head at the licensing meeting, chaired by Councillor Rita Palmer.

Following the decision, Councillor Susan Chappell, of Poulett Gardens, said: “I’m delighted that councillors and residents have worked together to get this result and haven#t given up.

“All the Riverside and South Twickenham councillors have supported residents to oppose this application. It was great to see so many residents at the hearing and the number prepared to speak out. This again shows the strength of feeling.”

A 12-year-old resident of Poulett Gardens said: “I’m shocked that someone can even consider a strip bar in Twickenham.”

The licensing sub-committee decision was made to refuse the application because of the residential character of the area and the use of premises in the vicinity, pursuant to clauses in the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982.

The committee also found that it would be inappropriate for the premises to be used as a sexual entertainment venue.

John Mc Gann from Twickenham police also made a representation against the application, and said the venue played a large part in drunken and disorderly behaviour in the town.

He said: “[Patrons] are kicked out at 3am and have caused public disorder that we have had in the past.”

The original application was made by Mr Angliss, Glenn Nicie and Chris Knight, but Mr Angliss stated at the meeting that he had “completely withdrawn” from the application, and the licence would be transferred to Mr Nicie and Mr Knight if it was granted permission. Mr Angliss intended to sell the venue to the pair.

A contributing factor to this change, the meeting heard, was the conviction for 11 offences brought against Mr Angliss, referring to the venue, at Richmond Magistrates’ Court on March 17, 2011. He was fined a total of £3,000 and ordered to pay prosecution costs of £2,750 for breaching the terms of his licence.

The applicants had 14 letters of supports from various licensing officials and police departments from 2001 to 2010, yet letters against the applications reached 85.

Coun Palmer said: “The formal decision letter is being written by the legal advisor to the licensing sub-committee for this application, Gerald Gouriet QC, and will be issued in due course.”

The applicants will have 21 days to appeal the decision, from receipt of the decision letter, during which time they may continue to trade. The appeal is by Judicial Review to the High Court.

Comments(12)

AndreD says...
5:53pm Sat 28 Jan 12

Looks like the nimbys have had there way again...

Twickenham resident says...
1:30pm Mon 30 Jan 12

ooh what a bitter person Andre D is ! Never a positive word so say about anything !

Since when do "nimbys" get their way ? Does Andre D live anywhere near Twickenham? I bet not.

As a Twickenham council tax payer i'd sooner the portion paid to police wasn't used to clear the streets of pathetic drunken men after they've spent their evenings oggling women in a sleezy club. The police have far more important work to do.

I read somewhere that most of the patrons live outside the borough so perhaps the club should relocate to their doorsteps instead ?

AndreD says...
6:37pm Mon 30 Jan 12

Oh dear, what a ill informed and spiteful comment! I have lived in Twickenham all my life, and in no way was it adversely been affected by the opening of a strip club. In fact, as far as I know, this is the only strip club in the borough, it is hardly as if we are turning into the Amsterdam Red Light District...and as regards to most of the customers coming from outside the borough, this type of business caters mainly for the rugby crowds, and therefore this is to be expected.

Why not learn to live and let live Twickenham Resident, and get het up by some real issues? I'm not sure all the nimbyism is good for your health!

Twickenham resident says...
1:06pm Tue 31 Jan 12

Not at all. Just reacting to your post.

Why should residents living close to this club have to put up with the fallout from a club as Andre D says, is mainly serving the interests of visiting rugby fans?

For an informed opinion, perhaps Andre D should have gone along to the meeting and heard the representations.

There are specific reasons for licences not to be granted and NIMBYISM is not one of them.

aspicer says...
10:14am Wed 1 Feb 12

A pathetic decision which sadly has been made primarily on 'moral' grounds rather than a legal one. NIMBYs believing this type of establishment should not be in the Borough have won, but does this open the floodgates?.. if enough local NIMBYs are vegetarian, will the Councillors looking for votes support them in shutting down Sandy's & the butchers? if enough local NIMBYs are teetotal, will the pubs all be closed?. or large supermarkets be closed if found to be using foreign child-labour?. where's their moral crusade going to end?.. not with the coffee shops these NIMBYs use - i hope it's all fair-trade coffe, or the place needs shutting down on moral grounds.
It has been misguided to support the closing of a local business for such feelings.
Every resident in the Borough is inconvenienced by something - traffic, noise, etc.. The way i object to any business in the town, is simply not to use it.

AndreD says...
1:48pm Wed 1 Feb 12

Well said aspicer. For a town with a Liberal Democrat MP, Twickenham seems to have numerous residents whose ideology is anything but. We live in a time of austerity, and we should not be encouraging the closing down of a venue which provides jobs and income for our town.

TrevorC says...
6:22pm Wed 1 Feb 12

How ironic it would be if the "drunken men" with no strip club to go to found their way to the benches in the new park area by the riverside. And then ogled and made lewd comments to "decent citizens" sitting there quietly or passing by.

Wise owls would say "Beware of the law of unintended consequences and be careful what you wish for".

Twickenham resident says...
9:33pm Wed 1 Feb 12

Are aspicer, Andre D and Trevor C patrons of the Piano Bar? If you all feel so strongly, why didn't you go along to support its licence renewal?

Andre D - Despite Vince Cable being MP for Twickenham, he has no interest in what goes on in Twickenham - he is on record as saying he doesn't get involved in local issues..

As you feel so strongly though, why not start a petition to save the Piano Bar? First stop could be Lion Road HQ and ask Vincy to sign your petition!!

PhillipTaylor says...
11:10pm Wed 1 Feb 12

There are no votes in this matter for Vince... that is why he is not interested and uses his 'not involved in local issues' veto when asked.

We had a ward by ward policy against sex establishments and sex shops in this borough from 2003 onwards which Richmond Council has consistently ignored.

I give up on this!

I am completely confused now about what the Council stands for as the Kew Road sex shop (The Private Shop) is still open for business and moral objections have always been irrelevant considerations.

Phillip Taylor

AndreD says...
1:38am Thu 2 Feb 12

Twickenham Resident- through ignorance, or stupidity, or willing blindness, you are once again failing completely and utterly to see the point. I cannot speak for aspicer and Trevor D, but I do not like strip clubs, have never frequented them, and calling me a patron of them is frankly infantile. Part of the reason seems to be Piano's location in a residential area- a reason which would be valid to close 3/4 of Twickenham's pubs. Additionally, as someone who goes out and socialises in Twickenham during the evening, I see far more trouble produced by the William Webb Ellis and The George than I have ever seen by Piano, so unless we're planning to shut these while we're at it, this seems to be invalid as well. Therefore, it would seem that the potential closing of this venue would fall under the moral crusade aspicer previously mentioned, and the belief that Twickenham is "above" such a venue. Note the correlation with the idea of nimbyism.

If Twickenham Resident would refrain from juvenile personal attacks and asorb the arguments for a minute, he would surely conclude that the reasons for shutting this venue are shaky at best. It seems some people will not stop until every shop in Twickenham is an organic craft store!

TrevorC says...
8:26am Thu 2 Feb 12

Twickenham Resident may have got a bit carried away. I was partly in jest linking to the comments from another story and pointing out a potential irony.

I've never frequented the Piano Bar or similar establishments, or at the other end, attended an opera, but that does not mean I am against them, or other people enjoyng them.

The only legitimate grounds for the closure of the Piano Bar that I can see, are the comments from one Police Officer about contributing to public disorder when the patrons leave at 3am. That's fine as long as the principle is consistently applied, of which many other drinking establishments must also be at risk of having their licenses revoked.

Which would bring it back to my original point about the risk of the law of unintended consequences. Which could be an increase of unregulated drinking and public disorder spread into more residential areas. (Or otherwise quiet public recreational areas).

aspicer says...
8:53am Thu 2 Feb 12

Hey Twickenham resident... you know me better as 'Barbie' from the Club, and you're my biggest tipper!
See you Saturday, usual time!
xx

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