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Child asylum seekers cost Croydon £34m a year
9:25am Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Asylum seeking children in Croydon are costing the taxpayer £34m a year.
Croydon has 1,042 children in care, the highest in London. Of these 678 are unaccompanied asylum seekers.
The council says that it costs an average of £972 a week to look after an individual, compared with £866 a week for other London boroughs.
The council says the money from the Home Office and this grant covers the direct costs of supporting a child in care.
However, Steve Liddicott from the council’s department for children, young people and learners, said that it is the indirect costs such as education, housing and health which take a toll on council resources, although he admitted there was no way to estimate how much this was costing the borough.
In addition, because there is such a high demand for foster services in Croydon, many asylum seeking children are placed in private foster homes.
Mr Liddicott said this is one of the reasons that the cost of looking after children in care is more in Croydon than it is in other outer London boroughs.
A large majority of the unaccompanied children who claim asylum in Britain do so through Lunar House in Croydon. They are then referred to Croydon Council.
Croydon has an agreement with other London boroughs who share responsibility for children claiming asylum aged 16 to 17. Children under 16 are looked after by Croydon Council and, unless there is an adult willing to care for them, they are placed in foster care in and around Croydon.
One teenager who has been through the system is 17-year-old Muhammad Arabzad. He arrived in Britain from Afghanistan when he was just 14.
His family paid an agent to take him to safety after his life was threatened by a political opposition group. It can cost up to £8,000 to get smuggled into the UK.
Muhammad said: “I travelled for two months by road to get here. When I arrived I was scared and alone. I eventually bumped into an Afghan man who took me to the Home Office in Croydon.”
He was placed with an Afghan family in Croydon who fostered him.
He goes to school in Croydon and has become involved with a local karate group. He has been in England for almost four years and has no idea if his parents are alive and well. They, in turn, have no idea if their son arrived safely in the UK.
• Do you foster children in Croydon? Let us know what you think in the comments section below.
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Bob Peel, Croydon says...
11:17am Wed 22 Oct 08
Of course if you are anti this sort of thing you are branded a racist etc.
I'm a great believer of charity beginning at home and when I see 'refugees' that have travelled thousands of miles - halfway around this earth to *benefit* from our charity it makes me spit.
Touran, London says...
1:00pm Wed 22 Oct 08
Racists come in all shapes and sizes and at least one is posting very close to the wind on another part of this site
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
1:12pm Wed 22 Oct 08
scoffer wrote:
Mmm... I suppose nastyOlTom as a Croydon tax-payer wont mind this... afterall she wante even more of them in the Croydon area.
I would wish that there were no such cases but the fact remains that those that are forced to send their children abroad will do so and someone needs to take responsibility for them.
It's not right that Croydon council should face extra costs and the Home Office should review the funding.
As a tax payer and Croydon resident I'm very proud of the service we provide and am more than willing to help fund it. Every penny spent on these 1,042 children is money well spent
scoffer, Beckenham says...
2:49pm Wed 22 Oct 08
As for racists... it's NOT racist to be concerned about forking out brass for a problem that won't go away unless someone tackles the problem!! Wake up and smell the espresso - in Dino's opposite Allders!! rofl!!
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
3:23pm Wed 22 Oct 08
So the blind assumption that children seeking refuge in our country are in the majority 'bogus' isn't racist ?
scoffer, Beckenham says...
3:39pm Wed 22 Oct 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
3:54pm Wed 22 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
4:05pm Wed 22 Oct 08
Okay if you can't answer that question let's try another.
' it's NOT racist to be concerned about forking out brass for a problem that won't go away unless someone tackles the problem!! '
I'm continually 'forking out' for problems that won't go away. Cancer research , children in poverty , aid for the armed forces etc. How is this problem any different from those apart from the nationalities of the children involved ?
scoffer, Beckenham says...
5:27pm Wed 22 Oct 08
I say with send NastyOlTom red backside off on a fact finding mission to Afghanistan... to see how long it really takes by road back to gud old blighty... armed with her bible and her nastyTom Tom sat nav... she should be back for Christmas dinner!! Hope you like your stuffing well done!! rofl!!
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
6:23pm Wed 22 Oct 08
You on the other don't want to take responsibility as you don't believe it to be your problem. You can try and pour scorn on their reasons for coming here. You can question whether we can afford to look after these children. You can even insult Muhammad by calling his story a lie but the bottom line is that you haven't got a shred of evidence to back this up and the only real issue is that they're not from our country.
If you're a racist then at least be a man and stand up for what you believe in rather than the worm that you are
mashby181167, new addington says...
7:48pm Wed 22 Oct 08
NastyMrTom wrote:as a tax payer and croydon resident i do mind. all the time this country keeps saying yes and letting people in, they will keep arriving. i am not proud this country deals out free meal tickets to all and sundry. there comes a time when the government needs to say NO, and that time is long gone. it has got to the stage where refugees etc get more than the british do in this country. they appear to have more rights as well. how much longer have we got to be treated like 2nd rate citizens?
scoffer wrote: Mmm... I suppose nastyOlTom as a Croydon tax-payer wont mind this... afterall she wante even more of them in the Croydon area.I would wish that there were no such cases but the fact remains that those that are forced to send their children abroad will do so and someone needs to take responsibility for them. It's not right that Croydon council should face extra costs and the Home Office should review the funding. As a tax payer and Croydon resident I'm very proud of the service we provide and am more than willing to help fund it. Every penny spent on these 1,042 children is money well spent
scoffer, Beckenham says...
9:34am Thu 23 Oct 08
I Watched a comedy programe last night in my hotel room... Sky 2 U.K.Border patrol or something - with the 'A team' NOT!! leading the way of rounding up illegal immigrants - A Nigerian guy completly fooled the U.K.B.A. by claiming that he would be murdered if returned home - with tears rolling down his cheeks sob!! and so the U.K.B.A. released him back onto the streets of London with a stern warning of 'no more working' and to report weekly for continued bail... he vanished into thin air - as predicted by the millions of fed up Britons watching this comedy team at work!!
No wonder we are the laughing stock of the modern world when allow this to happen... and as fer you oldTom it's not racist for honest, decent, law-abiding, folk to be concerned that this country cannot keep taking in the rest of the world!! If that's racist ? go ahead and call me that!! people just yawn when marxist fools like you try labelling decent people to try shut them up!! yer daft hapeth!! rofl!!
scoffer, Beckenham says...
10:33am Thu 23 Oct 08
Touran, London says...
11:56am Thu 23 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
12:14pm Thu 23 Oct 08
scoffer wrote:
I asked nastyoldTom on another thread how many more immigrants we should allow into the U.K. - A figure ? any figure ? she couldn't come up with a single figure - and the reason is this with fools logic displayed by Mrs.Tom... the door will always remain open for newcomers until the fabric of British society is destroyed - you'd think any sensible person would see this - and even immigrants who have settled here years ago are even saying enough is enough... if someone felt as passionate about this subject as Tom does, you'd think they would have some kind of acceptable figure of immigration into Britain wouldn't you ?? too dificult a question I suppose.
what are you on about ?
To think that you can put a finite figure on immigrant numbers shows what a naive understanding you have of the situation.
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
12:19pm Thu 23 Oct 08
scoffer wrote:No that stat shows that there's not enough social housing being built and provided.
Sitting here in sunny Dumplington... i've just logged on to a website that says one in ten 'Londoner's' (your guess is as good as mine how they define a Londoner'!!) is waiting for council accomodation!! Too many people not enough room - simple - stop letting chancers in. I Watched a comedy programe last night in my hotel room... Sky 2 U.K.Border patrol or something - with the 'A team' NOT!! leading the way of rounding up illegal immigrants - A Nigerian guy completly fooled the U.K.B.A. by claiming that he would be murdered if returned home - with tears rolling down his cheeks sob!! and so the U.K.B.A. released him back onto the streets of London with a stern warning of 'no more working' and to report weekly for continued bail... he vanished into thin air - as predicted by the millions of fed up Britons watching this comedy team at work!! No wonder we are the laughing stock of the modern world when allow this to happen... and as fer you oldTom it's not racist for honest, decent, law-abiding, folk to be concerned that this country cannot keep taking in the rest of the world!! If that's racist ? go ahead and call me that!! people just yawn when marxist fools like you try labelling decent people to try shut them up!! yer daft hapeth!! rofl!!
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
12:28pm Thu 23 Oct 08
Touran wrote:
It is easy to detect racism,some people are inbred racists without them even realising this.Educating people to detect this and challenge racism wherever it raise its ugly head in society should be a challenge we each should not shy away from
Totally agree. It's lines like those below that shows how willing some people are to believe these racist lies. Education is the answer.
"it has got to the stage where refugees etc get more than the british do in this country. they appear to have more rights as well. how much longer have we got to be treated like 2nd rate citizens?"
"the door will always remain open for newcomers until the fabric of British society is destroyed"
scoffer, Beckenham says...
1:23pm Thu 23 Oct 08
The trouble with keep building more houses is that the money has to come from the tax-payers yes us!! even if central Government funded programes instead ol local councils for these newcomers needs - the money would be siphoned off from central Government coffers to fund this - we the taxpayers would end up paying for it!! Do you want this ? No nor do I!! looks like your out-voted yet again olmuttonheadTom!! You do realise Tom - you're on a losing wicket old girl!! because when it comes to this country slipping into a full blown recession - and a bit of cold weather creeping in like we have Oop north at the moment - those gas and leccy bills are gonna make people even more aware of why Britain cannot afford to keep funding the third world coming here... but you keep giving everyone a gud laff on here - I love seeing you make a complete fool of yerself!!
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
2:10pm Thu 23 Oct 08
They'll tell you that others want 'uncontrolled immigration'. A complete lie and a totally ridiculous concept that no government would ever contemplate.
They'll tell you that all immigrants are cheats and liars coming to this country on the make. We all know this is rubbish and there is good and bad in everyone but it's in the racists interests to paint all immigrants in a bad light
They'll tell you that immigrants are destroying 'our Britain'. They're not and they've been a vital part of the growth and history of our country
They'll claim that there's no room and no money available. They'll use current global economic conditions to add weight to this to work on the fears of the uninformed. The facts are that most immigrants come here to find work and they're tax paying contributors to our society. The money spent on supporting those in need is a very small part of the fiscal budget and these people are very carefully vetted.
They'll try and exploit individual negative stories to convince you that this is the case with all immigrants. We had talk of 'rape gangs' in Bradford. These were all lies but once fear and loathing grows within a community the escalation into racist violence isn't far away as I'm afraid we saw.
They'll tell you that their views are held by the majority. That they represent 'honest , hard working and decent' individuals. If being those things equates to being a racist that would be true but these are the people that rose up and fought against fascism and racism in the past and they certainly deserve more than being tarred by the same evil brush.
They'll tell you that immigrants have more rights and have more benefits available than you or I. A total fallacy based on no fact whatsoever.
They'll tell you that the UK is a laughing stock around the world and looked on as a 'meal ticket'. We do have a reputation but it's for honesty , fairness and compassion. These are exploitable traits but they remain with us despite the actions of a few.
Don't allow the racists to represent you. Question what they say and don't let natural fears and worries cloud your thinking. Put yourself in the shoes of those we're trying to help and accept that things won't always run smoothly but that we are a strong enough nation to battle through adversity to achieve a noble goal. We are a proud nation and rightly so , don't let that pride be ruled by fear and represented by evil
squired, South Croydon says...
3:42pm Thu 23 Oct 08
These people come from countries where life is much harder and when they finally get here they are willing to take any job that will pay them a wage. While they are working, paying taxes and living a simple existence we have large groups of people pumping out children like factory lines to get on the benefits gravy train and whole families that have never had a job between them. Its sad, but these immigrants have a better work ethic than most Brits.
scoffer, Beckenham says...
3:58pm Thu 23 Oct 08
Don't allow the marxists represent you. Question what they say and don't let marxist mumble jumble jaw-jaw cloud your thinking. Put yourself in the shoes of those we're trying to help - ordinary hard working, decent, families, and accept that things won't always run smoothly with the num-nuts around us!! rofl!!... but that we are a strong enough nation to battle through the obstacles and scaremongering tactics to achieve a noble goal. We are a proud nation and rightly so , don't let that pride be ruled by fear and represented by evil people hell bent in destroying everything we have - we are already the most overcrowed country in Europe!! yet, marxists want even more people to come here, causing even more havoc with an already overcrowded housing and schools programe - commonsense views are not racist views no matter how nastyoltom juggles her words around. loser!!
justine, croydon says...
4:37pm Thu 23 Oct 08
Most overcrowded country in Europe? Can you back this up? Do you think there are no immigrants in other European countries?
I do think we have a problem in this country (and in others) with immigration, but I hate the way you talk about other people in such an uncaring way. As long as you're ok, eh! How I wish people like Scoffer would one day find themselves in trouble through no fault of their own and would have to rely on other people's help. I bet they'd be the first to winge and whine. Have a bit of respect for people's fate. Complain to the government instead of letting your bitterness out on people who are only trying to better their lives. I would emigrate too if I had to.
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:21pm Thu 23 Oct 08
The UK has one of the highest densities of population in Europe but that's as a result of our size , history and economic status not because we're flooded with immigrants.
The idea that there's no room and we should put a stop to newcomers arriving is as stupid as putting a limit on people migrating to London from other areas. It may well be densely populated but it has the fiscal and geographic ability to cope.
Poor management and investment may well have put a strain on resources needed by us all but that's a matter of poor government not out of control immigration.
It's the skill of the racist to put these two together
scoffer, Beckenham says...
6:31pm Thu 23 Oct 08
I'm not uncaring towards anyone, and I respect everyone - that includes those that have opposite views to mine - allowing free speech is very important these days I think - something we fought long and hard to preserve in this country I might add.
Britain IS overcrowded... try googling the subject it's not a secret - or made up by anyone racist it's called FACTs!! oldnastytom is desperate to get her point across that there's enough room already - even though there's one in ten people in London waiting for a place for social housing and there are more people arriving than emmigrating ??
You can't get through to really stoopid people like nastyTom - she's like Mugabe... problems ? what problems ? Thank goodness people are seeing what's happening now in this country and are free to say in public what everyone is thinking!!
justine, croydon says...
7:28pm Thu 23 Oct 08
The problem lies in how people like you react to immigration - seeing it as a threat. People feel that their jobs and livelyhoods and their way of life are threatened. I have sympathy to some extend. I believe people who come here from other countries need to respect and follow rules and traditions in this country. Most of them do, it's our government that is to blame for trying to please everyone at the same time, and we know that doesn't work.
Scoffer, you say you are not uncaring and you respect everyone. First of all, it seems you care more about yourself, rather than anyone else who may need caring about. Second, I don't think the kind of language you have used here is very respectful. You seem very angry. Not in a good way. You say you have fought for free speech, yet you don't seem to like listening to the views of others.
Oh, and googling subjects doesn't guarantee facts. You can google 'fairies' and it'll come up with something, not facts though.
One last point. How about all the Chavs living on benefit, having kids by different dads, getting tanked up on cheap cider? They were born here, their parents were born here. Don't you think they are a worse menace? Oh, maybe they'll emigrate to Benidorm like a lot of others and then the Spanish Scoffers can rant online like you do, and complain about the English immigrants.
Yes, people are free to say what they think, as you say. Including nastyTom. But you just don't like it.
scoffer, Beckenham says...
9:54am Fri 24 Oct 08
OlnastyTom has already said this Government has a well oiled laid out orgainsation that only allows in people who are carefully vetted ? Mmm... the failed bombers who tried to murder hundreds of travellers on the London underground went through this system of being allowed to stay in the U.K. ?
I tend to believe the many people who are now saying the immigration systen is in total, utter, chaos... we all know it is... it's not a crime to speak out against this... and when we see the comedy on T.V. of how even when we have a Government run U.K.B.A. dept catching those that should NOT be here legally - even then we are stumped because there is no more room in holding centres - they are all full up with people lodging appeal after appeal through tax payer lawyers using the silly human rights charter to keep them here!! We let them back onto the streets and they vanish!! No civiliased country should be operating like that - and I DO blame the Government - I also think it's healthy to discuss these problems amongst ourselves without resorting to hurling abuse like olnastyrTom has!!
We should also remember that foreign workers are being used unfairly to clean peoples houses, do the dirty jobs at rates below the minimum wage ? it's not fair!! And what about those third world countries who we are taking their doctors and nurses ?? how fair is that if we really care about the third world eh ? eh ? I'm afraid a lot of good, honest, folk are up in arms over this and it will be a subject to roll on and on and on!! We may as well just get used to it and stop this silly talk of racism!! Raining cats an dogs here in Dumplington... i'm orf to see the men an women in canteen now!! rofl!!
Chrisdoe, Pinetop, Arizona, USA says...
10:45am Fri 24 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
11:06am Fri 24 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
11:16am Fri 24 Oct 08
here's a story of a homeless British ex-serviceman living in a car a hundred metres from the £1M private house used to house a large family from Afghanistan - at the taxpayers expense... pardon me... but there's no room for a homeless British man who served his country - and council bosses are quite happy for him to sleep in an old car ? these are the kind of things that are happening under the crazy point system operated by councils up and down the country - what a shambles!!
scoffer, Beckenham says...
11:22am Fri 24 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
12:53pm Fri 24 Oct 08
'the marxist nastyolToms of this world would have us locked up for for daring to oppose uncontrolled mass immigration into a chaotic immigration system'
They'll tell you that others want 'uncontrolled immigration'. A complete lie and a totally ridiculous concept that no government would ever contemplate
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
12:54pm Fri 24 Oct 08
scoffer wrote:They'll try and exploit individual negative stories to convince you that this is the case with all immigrants
In todays supersoarawaySun...t here's a story of a homeless British ex-serviceman living in a car a hundred metres from the £1M private house used to house a large family from Afghanistan - at the taxpayers expense... pardon me... but there's no room for a homeless British man who served his country - and council bosses are quite happy for him to sleep in an old car ? these are the kind of things that are happening under the crazy point system operated by councils up and down the country - what a shambles!!
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
1:01pm Fri 24 Oct 08
scoffer wrote:
I did notice on this thread how nastyToms style of writing changed yesterday 'cos of the lather she got herself into... gone were her little four dots .... ???? that's the trouble when you post under multiple names rofl!!
I've not posted under any other ids.
Why would I ?
Why do you worry that I would ?
Why do I even bother replying to this bilge ? (sorry that's rhetorical)
justine, croydon says...
3:27pm Fri 24 Oct 08
Brian Sewer, Tarring W.Sussex says...
5:02pm Fri 24 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:30pm Fri 24 Oct 08
People have every right to object to immigration policy or any other legislation. It's the thinking behind Scoffer's objections that's deeply offensive.
scoffer, Beckenham says...
8:53pm Fri 24 Oct 08
justine, croydon says...
11:34am Sat 25 Oct 08
Whoever begrudges a child (or any human being for that matter) help in need, needs their head examined.
scoffer, Beckenham says...
12:00pm Sat 25 Oct 08
HolySmoke, Croydon says...
1:47pm Sat 25 Oct 08
But the thing is I dont need to hear it from the Indian and Polish people, it is as obvious as a t~rd in a swimming pool, what is sad is that we are not listerning to the English people that know this fact already, that is the sad part, who is in charge and who are they listerning too, it could be an Extra Terrestrial for all I know and I have my suspicions based on how this country is being run, it could only be someone who seeks Britains complete destruction.
ron duron, Croydon says...
2:01pm Sat 25 Oct 08
Hey; you need to chill out dude you look a little stressed out on those funny tablets you keep popping!
HolySmoke, Croydon says...
2:08pm Sat 25 Oct 08
I have nothing against Muhammed I wish him well, but I agree anyone who encourages this should put their money where their mouths are and finance him personely.
The thing is we need to encourage WORKERS to Britain not people who are seeking handouts and Asylum refuge, if all the people seeking refuge and a breast to feed from in the world all came to Britain we would be sleeping standing up, people need to get their heads in order and the people defending them are mostly the immigrants themselves.
Muhammed´s forfathers did´nt die or suffer in the trenches of the Somme, mine did and yet our families are treated like immigrants, its a completely crazy Liberal leftwing upside down, topsy turvy loony system.
HolySmoke, Croydon says...
2:17pm Sat 25 Oct 08
justine, croydon says...
11:25pm Sat 25 Oct 08
Anyway, I'm getting bored by you BNP monkeys. Bet you're all on the dole and colouring in your tatoos. Sorry, I have no time for you. Waste of space you lot are. But thanks for the entertainment, we had a right laugh. Much love.
HolySmoke, Croydon says...
1:19am Sun 26 Oct 08
Oh dear she´s thrown a wobbly, such ignorance tut, tut!
Muhammed we tried but she obviously doesnt want to sponsor you, she regrets her u-turn once her back was against the wall, but such is life eh. Best wishes.
scoffer, Beckenham says...
10:23am Sun 26 Oct 08
justine, croydon says...
11:37am Sun 26 Oct 08
justine, croydon says...
11:37am Sun 26 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
12:18pm Sun 26 Oct 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
3:56pm Sun 26 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
5:29pm Sun 26 Oct 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
8:25pm Sun 26 Oct 08
HolySmoke, Croydon says...
11:32pm Sun 26 Oct 08
HolySmoke, Croydon says...
11:53pm Sun 26 Oct 08
justine wrote:First how do you know I am little?
I would be very happy to send money to Muhammed, but I wouldn't insult him like that. Whereas I wouldn't even offer tosser, sorry, scoffer a bean. And thanks for calling me a do-gooder. I know the likes of you somehow regard that as a bad label. To me that's something to be proud of. I try very hard to be a do-gooder. Over to you, scoffer, as I'm sure you or your little friends need to have the last word. Byyyeeeee....
Second,I have never met Scoffer and only ever replied to his comments about twice in the history of me being here, as for friend? Have we ever met Scoffer? Nope.
Justine apart from you being one of the most arrogant people I have met for a while Justine you are also incredibly ignorant.
The only problem little bored housewife with nothing to do but play Mary Poppins on the internet is that all this costs MONEY, seeing as you have no idea how to spend the Taxpayers MONEY wisely it is of little surprise that a SILLY little individual like you plays the HANDOUT GAME and then insult people when they cant win an Argument. You want everyone else to foot the bill except yourself. Your pea brained attitude is only balanced by your stupid argument.
Get yourself a life you silly little lonely eejit.
HolySmoke, Croydon says...
12:12am Mon 27 Oct 08
justine wrote:Errhhh
I don't quite understand... you complain that our tax money goes on people like Muhammed. Now you're telling me to support him with financially? I thought I was doing so by paying my taxes. Anyway, I'm getting bored by you BNP monkeys. Bet you're all on the dole and colouring in your tatoos. Sorry, I have no time for you. Waste of space you lot are. But thanks for the entertainment, we had a right laugh. Much love.
BNP - Nope
Monkey - Nope
Tatooes - Not on your Tooshy.
You are wrong again Justine, you must stop making a habit of being wrong all the time Justine, you are an unmitigated disaster.
You are such an Ignorant and Arrogant person that when you feel you are losing your Argument you start insulting people.
Even a Soft Headed Left Wing Loony Tunes like you Justine who has about as much idea of running the countries Immigration Policies as a Frog in a Small Pond has a right to speak and air their views, so let others without the insults, OK!
scoffer, Beckenham says...
12:15pm Mon 27 Oct 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
1:19pm Mon 27 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
1:46pm Mon 27 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
3:55pm Mon 27 Oct 08
justine, croydon says...
5:02pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Must get back to my housewifely tasks. Sorry I annoyed you so.
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:31pm Mon 27 Oct 08
HolySmoke wrote:You're a total idiot. What playground are you writing from ?
Scoffer hit the nail squarely on the head, if Justine wants Muhammed here, prove it. Muhammed go around to Justine´s house everyweek and she will help you in everyway she can and guarantees a nice wad of cash, no problem, Right Justine?
Let's follow your moronic logic through ... even though I'm worried it may be catching ... so if you feel so strongly about the 'destruction of Britain' what is it that you're doing about it ? Shall we expect you to stand at the airports and ports turning people away
Right HolySmoke ?
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:35pm Mon 27 Oct 08
scoffer wrote:
Cop out!! all p!ss and wind!! rofl!! a false person who refuses to put their money where their mouths are... this is an acurate description of justine!!
Oh christ you're as big an idiot as the other one and that's saying something as I thought HolySmoke had set some kind of record.
One nation eh scoffer ... or in your case one nation and a pair of tw*ts
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:36pm Mon 27 Oct 08
ron duron wrote:
NastyMr.Tom: Hey; you need to chill out dude you look a little stressed out on those funny tablets you keep popping!
don't involve me in your fantasy world
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:41pm Mon 27 Oct 08
HolySmoke wrote:
justine wrote: I would be very happy to send money to Muhammed, but I wouldn't insult him like that. Whereas I wouldn't even offer tosser, sorry, scoffer a bean. And thanks for calling me a do-gooder. I know the likes of you somehow regard that as a bad label. To me that's something to be proud of. I try very hard to be a do-gooder. Over to you, scoffer, as I'm sure you or your little friends need to have the last word. Byyyeeeee....First how do you know I am little? Second,I have never met Scoffer and only ever replied to his comments about twice in the history of me being here, as for friend? Have we ever met Scoffer? Nope. Justine apart from you being one of the most arrogant people I have met for a while Justine you are also incredibly ignorant. The only problem little bored housewife with nothing to do but play Mary Poppins on the internet is that all this costs MONEY, seeing as you have no idea how to spend the Taxpayers MONEY wisely it is of little surprise that a SILLY little individual like you plays the HANDOUT GAME and then insult people when they cant win an Argument. You want everyone else to foot the bill except yourself. Your pea brained attitude is only balanced by your stupid argument. Get yourself a life you silly little lonely eejit.
I always thought that the housewives of this nation were the financially astute ones.
How do you play 'Mary Poppins' if anyone knows please let me know ?
I've read this twice , I'm laughing but I don't understand a single point being made ... at least with scoffer we could understand his bigoted waffle
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:44pm Mon 27 Oct 08
HolySmoke wrote:
justine wrote: I don't quite understand... you complain that our tax money goes on people like Muhammed. Now you're telling me to support him with financially? I thought I was doing so by paying my taxes. Anyway, I'm getting bored by you BNP monkeys. Bet you're all on the dole and colouring in your tatoos. Sorry, I have no time for you. Waste of space you lot are. But thanks for the entertainment, we had a right laugh. Much love.Errhhh BNP - Nope Monkey - Nope Tatooes - Not on your Tooshy. You are wrong again Justine, you must stop making a habit of being wrong all the time Justine, you are an unmitigated disaster. You are such an Ignorant and Arrogant person that when you feel you are losing your Argument you start insulting people. Even a Soft Headed Left Wing Loony Tunes like you Justine who has about as much idea of running the countries Immigration Policies as a Frog in a Small Pond has a right to speak and air their views, so let others without the insults, OK!
Yeah Justine you unmitigated disaster of a Soft Headed Left Wing Loony Tunes ... stop insulting people
Lol
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:46pm Mon 27 Oct 08
ANNE GILES wrote:
I am becoming more and more nervous here as I read the insults flying backwards and forwards. Oh, dear! I shall have to go and relax in a Lavender aromatherapy bath.
too much coffee !! Stop drinking espresso and blogging about it and stand up to someone who enjoys joking with you about the Belgrano
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:54pm Mon 27 Oct 08
Keep it up please !!
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
6:55pm Mon 27 Oct 08
NastyMrTom wrote:I only drink one a day!!
ANNE GILES wrote: I am becoming more and more nervous here as I read the insults flying backwards and forwards. Oh, dear! I shall have to go and relax in a Lavender aromatherapy bath.too much coffee !! Stop drinking espresso and blogging about it and stand up to someone who enjoys joking with you about the Belgrano
scoffer, Beckenham says...
7:08pm Mon 27 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
9:29pm Mon 27 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
10:41am Tue 28 Oct 08
6:55pm Mon 27 Oct 08
I only drink one a day!!
Lol , fair play to you Anne. It's a struggle to find a decent espresso in Croydon so you've got your work cut out. I like the Portuguese deli in St George's Walk , not exactly authentic but a decent price and a possible custard tart is a bonus. The major chains are too hit and miss and can't be bothered to do the small things that make a decent cup like wash the pipes through or heat the cup. I bought my own machine to get over this. Not cheap but it will pay for itself over a year if you're a regular drinker ....
.... keep quaffing !!
Brian Sewer, Tarring W.Sussex says...
11:16am Tue 28 Oct 08
It's about time the cops clamped down on this instead of hassling motorists.
scoffer, Beckenham says...
12:24pm Tue 28 Oct 08
justine, croydon says...
1:14pm Tue 28 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
4:46pm Tue 28 Oct 08
justine wrote:
I think the coffee situation in Croydon has actually improved a lot. I lived abroad for a few years and when I came back there were great little coffee places all over the place. I've got my own machine too, but it's a pain to clean. Actually, Munch in the Allders arcade do a really good machiato.
I'll give Munch a go !!
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
5:40pm Tue 28 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:53pm Tue 28 Oct 08
When I was a young lad I remember well the velvety smells of coffee roasting in 'Importers'. We could do with a similar experience in Croydon ...
justine, croydon says...
7:09pm Tue 28 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
9:39am Wed 29 Oct 08
ron duron, Croydon says...
12:16pm Wed 29 Oct 08
NastyMrTom wrote:I think youd make a good fairymother>>> are you in panto at fairfields lol
ron duron wrote: NastyMr.Tom: Hey; you need to chill out dude you look a little stressed out on those funny tablets you keep popping!don't involve me in your fantasy world
justine, croydon says...
12:28pm Wed 29 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
12:45pm Wed 29 Oct 08
ron duron wrote:
NastyMrTom wrote:I think youd make a good fairymother>>&ron duron wrote: NastyMr.Tom: Hey; you need to chill out dude you look a little stressed out on those funny tablets you keep popping!don't involve me in your fantasy world
gt; are you in panto at fairfields lol
thanks.
Not sure what you're trying to say or what a fairymother is but you seem happy in your little world
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
12:54pm Wed 29 Oct 08
justine wrote:
24 days holiday in December, not bad. Maybe you should become an MP scoffer, that way you'd be able to do something about the issues you care about, and have lots of holidays too. Then you could also get out on the streets and listen to people's concerns. Beats talking about it in coffee shops, you'd be able to actually do something about things. Mind you, there is the small problem of having to have people vote for you first...., Oh well, I suppose we'll have to put up with the guys that have been voted in or the guys that will be voted in next. See, that's how it works. You get who the majority votes for, and if you don't like it, keep letting off steam in Costa.
Couldn't happen as there are laws in place to preventy lunatics and idiots being MPs
The rules consider idiots as people incapable of gaining reason and lunatics as those capable of periods of lucidity
I think that defines scoffer as an idiot
scoffer, Beckenham says...
2:10pm Wed 29 Oct 08
justine, croydon says...
2:14pm Wed 29 Oct 08
Interesting...
Anyway, apart from disagreeing with you scoffer, I hope you don't take our banter the wrong way, I know as you dish it out yourself, you should also be able to take it. Just to let you know that even though I really don't like your views, I hope you don't take my replies badly.
scoffer, Beckenham says...
8:07pm Wed 29 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
10:46am Thu 30 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
3:56pm Thu 30 Oct 08
You're starting to sink lower and lower .. there's not a single argument or point to be made there just childish taunting and again this weird aggressive thing. You're losing it scoffer and what's embarrassing is we're all having to watch you sink ... someone please help this man out
scoffer, Beckenham says...
4:30pm Thu 30 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
5:44pm Thu 30 Oct 08
I've received nothing but insults and personal attacks from you ... but I didn't whinge and got on with giving some back. There's nothing worse than someone who loves to give it and can't take it ... what a sad old loser you are.
You haven't once provided any fact or evidence to back up your racist views. You're only source is 'honest , decent , hard working people' but that's just waffle added to make you look less of a bigot.
The fact you post on other forums means nothing to me.
I'd love a civil exchange of views and a clearly thought out argument but you're incapable. It's frothing at the mouth rubbish in every post. I'd normally give someone the benefit of common human decency but your nasty , ignorant and simply racist attitude doesn't allow for this.
You've now come full circle and are whimpering for a little mercy but you won't get any from me I'm afraid.
Go rot in the cesspit that you've created for yourself and as you disappear I'll happily wave you goodbye along with the thousands of others you've insulted with your evil
scoffer, Beckenham says...
7:50pm Thu 30 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
10:54pm Thu 30 Oct 08
Bye bye scoffer enjoy the slow ride
scoffer, Beckenham says...
9:43am Fri 31 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
11:47am Fri 31 Oct 08
NastyMrTom, Croydon says...
1:40pm Fri 31 Oct 08
more whinging and whimpering without any meaning.
Slowly sinking lower scoffer .... it's time to ask for help I think
scoffer, Beckenham says...
2:24pm Fri 31 Oct 08
Brian Sewer, Tarring W.Sussex says...
5:26pm Fri 31 Oct 08
The other thing is this,yesterday a lady in our office in Croydon had her mobile phone stolen in the centre,even though it was reported within twenty minutes; phone calls were made to Albania and France
It makes you think about these things when you are a victim;sorry was i been racist by saying that Tom?
scoffer, Beckenham says...
7:21pm Fri 31 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
7:23pm Fri 31 Oct 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
10:17am Sat 1 Nov 08
We need to rehaul the U.K.B.A. - get out there and get on with your jobs!! - hard working, trustworthy, British tax-payers, are paying yet again for a weak Government run department NOT doing their jobs!! It's a scandal!! I'm writing to my MP to complain!! IOT!! rofl!!
scoffer, Beckenham says...
3:57pm Sun 2 Nov 08
scoffer, Beckenham says...
11:46am Mon 3 Nov 08
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10:31am Wed 22 Oct 08