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Police attacked in rubbish row
10:35am Friday 18th July 2008
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A violent mob attacked two police officers after they asked a teenage girl to pick up a piece of litter.
The incident occurred near to the Woolworths and Burger King in North End, central Croydon, at about 3pm on Wednesday.
It started when the unarmed male officers on patrol saw a teenage girl drop a fast food wrapper from a nearby takeaway and asked her to pick it up. She did so but immediately dropped it on the ground again.
They then separated the girl from a 15-year-old girl with her who was being noisy and unco-operative.
When the officers asked her again to pick it up her friend became aggressive towards them.
Police said she then bit one of the officers on his shoulder or back.
A group of people then gathered around the officers and intimidated and attacked them. It is believed the crowd grew to about 30 people, made up of male and female teenagers and adults, with more people watching.
Police said all suspects were black.
The two officers, aged 34 and 29, suffered from bruising and knee injuries and at one point the 34-year-old was bitten and needed hospital treatment for his injury.
They are both now on sick leave.
The 15-year-old girl was arrested at the scene on suspicion of assault. She has been bailed following further inquiries.
Yesterday morning police also arrested two men, aged 34 and 38 both from South Norwood, on suspicion of assault and violent disorder.
The incident is being investigated by Croydon CID and officers are examining CCTV footage from the area.
Inspector Simon Ellingham said: "We have heard from several retailers in the area who were horrified at the level of violence used by the crowd against the officers.
"Whilst we would never use the word 'mob' which is an inflammatory word, we can confirm that eye witnesses have described their initial fear that Officers were going to be seriously injured or killed."
Anyone who saw what happened or has any information should phone 020 8649 0119 and ask for Sergeant George Shannon or contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
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trasie, mitcham says...
10:50am Fri 18 Jul 08
Iain, Purley says...
10:56am Fri 18 Jul 08
annoyed, croydon says...
11:18am Fri 18 Jul 08
Adrian, London says...
11:20am Fri 18 Jul 08
Paul, Croydon says...
11:20am Fri 18 Jul 08
They should be locked up for life,
How would they like it if the Police beat them up, there would be a public outrage, but becaise it's the Police no one cares.
It disgusts me.
Name and Shame the Scum Bags! 1
sarah, croydon says...
11:29am Fri 18 Jul 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
11:33am Fri 18 Jul 08
Iain wrote:If you saw it, can you please contact police and give them a description of at least some of them? They MUST be caught.
I saw it. It was a mob of black youngsters - both male and females - who went completely crazy. It wasn\'t obvious what the row was about.
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
11:37am Fri 18 Jul 08
sarah wrote:There is a vast difference between three girls doing graffiti and pretending they have a knife outside a woman's home, when she is quite capable of going indoors to get away from them and two police officers who cannot escape being attacked by a gang of around 30. I only wish I had been there, to at least get help and identify some of them. Instead, I was having to sit at home all day waiting for a non-existent gas man.
I coud be wrong, but somehow I thing this incident will be and has been taken more seriously than the lady who tackled the teenage girls graffitting her garage, who then threatened to stab her. All she got was a phone call 3 hours later, no CID and no checking CCTV images. Double standards and you wonder why so many of us have so little faith.
Paul, Croydon says...
11:41am Fri 18 Jul 08
MORE POLICE ON THE STREETS = MORE MONEY NEEDED
This just proves that no one has repect for the police anymore.
It frustrates me how many people will put the police down, but no one went to help them when they were getting beaten up...DOUBLE STANDARDS(well i haven't heard that any members of the public helped them out, but everyone complains when they don't turn up!! NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL DOUBLE STANDARDS!
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
11:53am Fri 18 Jul 08
DJW, croydon says...
11:58am Fri 18 Jul 08
mark, selhurst says...
12:00pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Talus, Rugby says...
12:01pm Fri 18 Jul 08
At least now the police will begin to feel how the rest of us feel.[
Cat, South Croydon says...
12:04pm Fri 18 Jul 08
sian, london says...
12:08pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Mr Hayes, London says...
12:15pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Paul, Croydon says...
12:20pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Well put it this way if it was your child getting beaten up by 30 youths would you want the police to get involved and be a bit aggressive or should they just stand by and watch incase they offend anyone...so be a bit more realistic, and realise that Croydon is now a battle ground, and if you want the Police to help, then don't slag them off when they are heavy handed! Who is the first person calls when the have their house robbed,?? Well it's the Police, so if they don't have the public's support then why should they bother???
Colin, London says...
12:24pm Fri 18 Jul 08
What a strange coincidence that three people - all of whom claim to have witnessed the confrontation - should happen to chance upon this site within 10 minutes of each other.
This is obviously one very sick individual using multiple IDs to smear the police and deflect our anger away from the savages who committed the asault.
Paul, Croydon says...
12:25pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Paul, Croydon says...
12:28pm Fri 18 Jul 08
They can't ever win!!
People should support the Police maybe this may put a message out to all the scum that we won't tolerate this sort of behaviour from anyone.!
Roberta, Croydon says...
12:56pm Fri 18 Jul 08
She was abusive and swore repeadetly at the two police officers who were just trying to keep the streets of croydon clean.
Why was she in central croydon at 3pm along with other teenagers and the behaviour of the adults was appaling. And we wonder why the black teenagers are ever becomming an ever increasing problem on Croydon streets if this is the way there elders behave.
I am absolutley disgusted and am seriously thinking about getting out of Croydon - a place where I was born.
Watch with Wonder, North End, Croydon says...
1:00pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Unfortunately more and more crazy incidents are being reported and it seems that barbaric, prehistoric behiviour is increasingly the norm.
I think it's about time I quite this world and fly 'Vigin Galactic'... to seek out new civilizations and to boldly go where no man has gone before...
Anna, Sutton says...
1:01pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Kieran, Chester says...
1:02pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Find them, identify them, charge them, prosecute them.
Then shoot them.
Watch with Wonder, Spelling Class, Croydon says...
1:06pm Fri 18 Jul 08
You don't have to think this... 'Watch with Wonder ' has already spotted how bad the spelling is!
Sincere apologies!
gerry, rural Mid-Devon says...
1:20pm Fri 18 Jul 08
sarah, croydon says...
1:32pm Fri 18 Jul 08
mark, selhurst says...
1:37pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Paul, Croydon says...
1:37pm Fri 18 Jul 08
The officers were not alone and they have extensive training in dealing with violent and volatile situations, they should have been able to calm the situation down, not aggrevate it!Yes the police are trained , but no one is trained to take on 30 people!
Oh well I suppose someone having a bit of graffiti is soooo much more serious than a human being getting beaten up!!!
Was this lady stabbed then?? NO!!! she wasn't!!!
Geezer, Croydon says...
1:39pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
Oh of course, the "law breaking minorities" have rights whilst law abiding citizens don't.
Nic Niewart, Beckenham says...
1:41pm Fri 18 Jul 08
When was the last time you had a copper walk down your street?
The only ones are zooming past at 60mph going to something that's already happened- instead of preventing it in the first place. And then they're selective what they attend- a road traffic accident is good- they can chat to their ambulance chums for a hour or so.
Crime is falling says Gordon Brown and all the Labour cronies-see we all FEEL it falling- every day- we all see it every day yeah right- come to Croydon and see it for yourself.
Paul, Croydon says...
1:44pm Fri 18 Jul 08
It's not the police's fault for not answering 999 calls, maybe if the goverment spent a bit more money on get more police officers then this could help sort the crime out.
I'm so fed up with people slagging off the Police... next everyone will be slagging off the Soliders in Iraq, or lets just start slagging the Ambulance Service or Fire Brigade off.
Just remember that the Police are fighting a losing battle, and it doesn't help everyone giving there "Ten Pence worth" of complaints, why not come up with some solutions.
Hey why not slag that Special constable off who was killed by her husband, I mean it must have been her fault!!!(It wasn't by the way)
If you think you can do a better job, then go and join the Police!!!
jen w, Croydon says...
1:51pm Fri 18 Jul 08
yes we do need to address the issue tha t our children are out of control but let us not add to it becasue if they cant trust us as adult who are they going to turn to
may God have mercy on all those concern
mother
Brendan, says...
1:54pm Fri 18 Jul 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
1:58pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Nic - you live in Beckenham, so it is obviously different there. In Croydon we always have patrols. On Thursday night our SN team were out patrolling Selsdon, Sanderstead and Heathfield. Half an hour later I was in the Town Centre and a police car came by at 8 p.m. and then 8.10 p.m. We have police around all the time. Dropping litter is anti-social behaviour and all anti-social behaviour needs to be stopped. It leads to other things. We want zero tolerance here. So let the police do their jobs and don't continually criticise them.
Paul, Croydon says...
2:02pm Fri 18 Jul 08
No police would mean the Army would be involved and they would be more brutal, and wouldn't answer to anyone!!!
carly, london says...
2:10pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Now, I think that being attacked by a 30 strong group is more important that a couple of kids acting like they have a knife.
Had the police been in the area when the graffiti incident happened, they would of delat with it then, but they weren't.
So really I think that there is no question as to what is more important
sickened, croydon says...
2:12pm Fri 18 Jul 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
2:18pm Fri 18 Jul 08
tony, london says...
2:21pm Fri 18 Jul 08
mark wrote:So that means they have the right to attack the police? If someone is commitimg a crime then don't the police have a right to get heavy handed? In other words. If you was a officer and you told a young girl to pick up litter and she refuse, what would you do?
Despite what Colin says, the fact remains that I was there and did witness the whole incident. Whether you want to believe it or not, the officer attacked that young girl and anyone who thinks they were correct in there actions should go and take a long hard look at themselfs. She is a young girl and he is a fully grown man, would Colin and the rest of you be happy if a adult male assualted their daughter, I for one would not.
mary, croydon says...
2:24pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Carly, london says...
2:25pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I wouldn't worry about it Anne they just don't get you. Once people realise that you are just trying to support the police they'll realise you aint so bad!!
I just think it's funny everyone slates teenagers & what not when they've arrested people who are in there 30's!!
I would also like to say, I don't know who started the fight after reading these comments, & if my daughter had been started on, I don't think a big group of people beating 2 tonnes of crap out of the officer would help my compliaint against him out would it?
So really, as much as this group wanted to attack the officers, they are now the 1's in trouble & totally flipped the situation. That is if the police attacked her first though.
Tom, Oxford says...
2:33pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Mr Hayes wrote:Before more people like you start bleating about race and the 'PC brigade', let's remind ourselves of the UEFA cup final in Manchester, where a mob of white British thugs did exactly the same. Or the packs of white teenagers who beat Garry Newlove, Sophie Lancaster, and many more besides them to death. Our country has a problem of violent, evil children, black and white, spawned by violent, feckless adults. It is not a race issue.
Not surprising is it, when you can\'t approach a group of black youngsters without the race card getting thrown in your face by the PC brigade what do you think is going to happen, they become the untouchables and take full advantage of it.
Paul, London says...
2:42pm Fri 18 Jul 08
mary wrote:Hey Sto the press, Mary knows exactly what went on...It's the polices fault, oh **** I'm so sorry for defending the police, I feel so bad(This is meant to be Sarcasm by the way)
First of all im really sick of people lying and making up stories, I was there and I saw the policeman hit the young lady many times with a baton,because she dropped rubbish the policemen attacked her. It upsets me how so many people are telling lies and it is a shame that the police officer will get away with it. Ihate to say it but I feel because the young lady is black the public are defending the policemen.
Mary apparently knows the crimnal history if this girl, hey it's not her fault, it's society's fault for her being so self centred and dropping litter, sorry I won't use a bin anymore , i'll just chuck my house hold rubbish on the floor from now on.
Thanks for clearing this all up for us!!!
I hope the Police do get away with defending themselves!!!
Ricky, Sheen says...
2:43pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Well, police are to enforce the law, not just the ones that you think they should. That's the trouble, people think they6 can puick and choose which laws they obey. Motorists think they can speed, dog people think their animals can foul anywhere etc etc.
terry, says...
2:43pm Fri 18 Jul 08
sean, london says...
2:43pm Fri 18 Jul 08
am/areas young black males(I am not saying all black males-the ones I hung around were polite and a great laugh)would go upstairs on the bus and literally take over the back seats and if anyone dared come to their territory would be beaten/stabbed/shot!
I also noticed a lot of my friends were being targeted because they were white and being mugged
or I should say raped of their confidence some of them were very
frightened to even walk to the shop.
Now, if white males were attacking black males..because of their colour literally hundreds of goverment funded organisations would be protesting:STOP RACISM etc.Why is this thing left to the BNP and similar bad minded groups(I cant vote for a party that wouldnt recognise my polite and good natured
black friends)is this
done deliberatly?
Solutions:more black and asian (based Only on merit!!!!)police and as much powers as the police would like including tasers bullets no ifs buts or mabies=control over the streets!
S
carly, london says...
2:44pm Fri 18 Jul 08
No matter who you are, if you play a discrimination card, you get away with it.
You can play the race card, or even insanity card. Peados even claim that the little kids they molest brought it on themselves & get away with it.
If I beat someone up of different ethnicity to me I should say I'm getting done cos I'm white! I might get away with it.
At the end of the day, no matter what age, colour, gender, there are too many people behaving like vicous thugs because they can get away with it & know how!
Look at that poor Mikey, yes he had run ins with the police but didn't deserve to be stabbed. No his killer got 4yrs minimum.Disgraceful
I now know that I can spend 4 years approx in a prison which from I've heard are crap anyway just for killing someone. It doesn't send out a good message does it.
These thugs who attacked the officers will prob get a slap on the wrist. What sort of lesson is that?
Lisa, Croydon says...
2:52pm Fri 18 Jul 08
The police defended themselves after having given a young girl a beating over rubbish so do I feel sorry for them? Hell no!
Tony, London says...
2:53pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Lisa, Croydon says...
2:58pm Fri 18 Jul 08
P, says...
2:58pm Fri 18 Jul 08
terry, croydon says...
2:59pm Fri 18 Jul 08
it wasonly a while ago that a young girl stabbed another to death in croydon just cause shes a young girl means nothing
Elliot, Croydon says...
3:00pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Croydon is Number One for Scum!
Paul, Croydon says...
3:02pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Yes I agree that some Police Officers can be a bit too heavy handed.
But no Croydon Police Officer would use his baton in central Croydon, due to the amount of CCTV camera's there.
So they must have felt threaten to use it.
Plus chinese whispers as you know will always change the original message.
So if your friend saw something for one everyone always makes the story sound more exciting than what it was, and secondly no one no matter what they have done deserves to have 30 people hitting them.
Otherwise if this is the case every time the Police turn up to a pub fight should they get 3 times as many police down so they can give them a kick in then????
So yes I agree on some points, but no will ever know what really happened apart from the Police Officers who were involved and the Girl.
So no one will ever win the argument of "The police deserved it vs the Police didn't deserve it"
Can I leave you with my last comment which is "How comes we are complaining it's about the Police, shouldn't we be shocked that 30 people decided to beat the crap out of 2 people?? If it was just two normal people walking down the street and got beaten up by 30 people, would we even be discussing this??"
Stay safe everyone, and have a great weekend.
Lisa, Croydon says...
3:11pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Doesnt warrant a beating though does it!
mark, says...
3:15pm Fri 18 Jul 08
tony wrote:Nobody has the right to assault anyone this includes the police. There's a correct way of dealing with littering, I'm sure that grabbing a young girl by the throat, hitting her repeatedly with a metal baton and spraying her with cs gas is not one of them. Furthermore, what you haven't been told is that another innocent girl who was there, was also hit in the head with the baton causing her head to be split open. So do you feel that this is justified because it was purportrated by the police. As I said before, I WAS THERE. WAS YOU.
mark wrote: Despite what Colin says, the fact remains that I was there and did witness the whole incident. Whether you want to believe it or not, the officer attacked that young girl and anyone who thinks they were correct in there actions should go and take a long hard look at themselfs. She is a young girl and he is a fully grown man, would Colin and the rest of you be happy if a adult male assualted their daughter, I for one would not.So that means they have the right to attack the police? If someone is commitimg a crime then don't the police have a right to get heavy handed? In other words. If you was a officer and you told a young girl to pick up litter and she refuse, what would you do?
P, says...
3:15pm Fri 18 Jul 08
terry, says...
3:16pm Fri 18 Jul 08
P, says...
3:18pm Fri 18 Jul 08
jack, Sydenham says...
3:27pm Fri 18 Jul 08
carly, london says...
3:30pm Fri 18 Jul 08
And seriously, was 30 people not enough to beat 2 people up? I think most of these people saw that police officers were getting attacked & thought 'yeh I'll get my kick in too on the bas**rds'.
Honestly, I've met a few officers where the power has gone to their head & I'd do the same.
In fact, I had a car accident because the police were speeding up behind me & they were trying to stop me blaming them. I was in a state & they were really having a go telling me to keep my breathalyser as a souveigner. Then telling me I was stupid for hitting railings in the first place. I didn't see the **** things as I had blue flashing lights forcing their way round me & pushing me towards the kerb. So I threw up in one of their hats!! And if it was them at Croydon & I was there, the thought would've come across to me aswell.
Ricky, Sheen says...
3:34pm Fri 18 Jul 08
mark, selhurst says...
3:37pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Chris, Mitcham says...
3:37pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Lisa wrote:Tramp? Maybe. Scum? Definitely! Of course I can honestly say I've never dropped litter - some of us were actually brought up to behave like civilised human beings. And as for your last point, show me the CCTV footage that proves that's what really happened and then I might bother to think of an answer.
Oh right so dropping litter makes you a tramp? How many people on here can honestly say they havt never dropped litter? Doesnt warrant a beating though does it!
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
3:38pm Fri 18 Jul 08
terry, says...
3:42pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Alan, London says...
3:46pm Fri 18 Jul 08
carly, london says...
3:56pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Wake up people, no one's perfect.
I admit my faults & I think it takes a bigger person to do that than for these people that think they are perfect calling people tramps (Ricky).
But hey, I don't live in posh old Sheen do I so I must be a tramp.
I just raise my kid to have a bit of **** respect for people & snobs & people up their own backsides talk to him like crap.
You people should be ashamed of themselves.
I am proud to say I have done things I shouldn't have. In the past & present but I face up to them & turn them around to something positive. What can you say you do apart from insult everyone who thinks different to you?
Lisa, Croydon says...
4:02pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Chris wrote:I am sure you know all about scum, living in Mitcham of all places. Would hardly call it the epitome of civilisation!
Lisa wrote: Oh right so dropping litter makes you a tramp? How many people on here can honestly say they havt never dropped litter? Doesnt warrant a beating though does it!Tramp? Maybe. Scum? Definitely! Of course I can honestly say I've never dropped litter - some of us were actually brought up to behave like civilised human beings. And as for your last point, show me the CCTV footage that proves that's what really happened and then I might bother to think of an answer.
I agree with Alan and Carly too, too many people on here up their own backsides.
Kes, Upper Norwood says...
4:05pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Kes, Upper Norwood says...
4:10pm Fri 18 Jul 08
annoyed wrote:Why shouldn't the police get involved with litter because PCSOs don't seem to have any powers. Just because our politicians have turned our country into a dustbin it doesn't mean that we have to live with rubbish.
i would question why the police are involved in disputes about litter - but nevertheless, how absolutely shocking that a crowd should attack like this. its the typical pack mentality of these scum. isolate one or two of them and the presence of a police officer would result in the youths sh*tting themselves - and rightly so - but place them in a geed up crowd of yobs and all hell breaks lose and innocents get hurt. i hope the officers recover and the ballsy teenager out to impress her mates is embarrassed, ashmaned, punished, fined and taught a lesson. and if she should get assaulted by the same gang she runs with at some point in the future, lets hope the police turn a blind eye to he difficulties.
50 cent, Croydon says...
4:34pm Fri 18 Jul 08
marie, south croydon says...
4:36pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Mart, Kew says...
5:36pm Fri 18 Jul 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
6:17pm Fri 18 Jul 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
6:21pm Fri 18 Jul 08
terry wrote:I am not perfect - just don't like dropping litter around. Why does being perfect mean that one isn't married? I am married,as it happens - and he doesn't drop litter either, although he does tend to leave it in his car, which is why I never sit in it.
oh anne ur so perfect i bet youre a spinster
John, Surrey says...
7:59pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Lisa wrote:So the Officer deserved to be beaten, kicked and bitten in two places by the young lady and her rent-a-mob? I just hope that you don't have any of your family in the Police Force! How would you feel knowing that each time they went on a shift they might get seriously injured or worse?. How do you explain that to a child?!!! 'You just don't do that over litter'...unquote Well I don't think an act of violence over litter looks or sounds impressive either!!!!!
If it is true what these witnesses are saying, why were the police using such brutality? I have spoken to a friend who also witnessed it, and it paints a vey different picture to whatis being printed on here, but then the police always try and cover things up! Shes a girl and regardless of how mouth she may have been, you just dont do that over litter! Those two grown men stepped in because they saw a young girl being beaten with a baton and thought it was wrong (considering it was over a peice of rubbish I agree). Others saw what was going on and then all hell broke loose because quite frankly he police were WRONG! And yes I do rate them for the job that they do but its a fact that there are many dodgy coppers out there and many who let the power go to their head and think they can do what they want!
The police defended themselves after having given a young girl a beating over rubbish so do I feel sorry for them? Hell no!
J, London, UK says...
8:06pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Jennifer, Croydon says...
8:26pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Colin wrote:I think you are one very sick individual by making this paranoid assumption. You didn't see what happened whereas they did. It's a bit obvious that something must have provoked a crowd of 30 people to attack the police officers. It's not just the people you have highlighted who say they saw the police attacking the girl, it's everyone who says they saw the incident. The rest of these comments justifying the police are based on the lies in this report and in the news. It probably is a racial thing, since when was the truth about black crime ever exposed.
Don\\\'t believe a word that \\\"DJW\\\", \\\"mark\\\" and \\\"sian\\\" say. What a strange coincidence that three people - all of whom claim to have witnessed the confrontation - should happen to chance upon this site within 10 minutes of each other. This is obviously one very sick individual using multiple IDs to smear the police and deflect our anger away from the savages who committed the asault.
Sian, CROYDON says...
8:48pm Fri 18 Jul 08
DJW wrote:Finally somebody with some sense who actually questioned the brutal force used by the police officers. You should go to the police and make this comment to them as this issue is also being investigated.
I didn\'t see inital confrontation but all i saw was the police man excessively hitting the girl with the baton and then jumping around and hitting people who were trying to restrain the girl themselves this is what obviously angered other people and led to everyone chasing him around and attacking him
Poonam, croydon says...
8:56pm Fri 18 Jul 08
terry, london says...
9:21pm Fri 18 Jul 08
jennifer, croydon says...
9:37pm Fri 18 Jul 08
God please help the world.
george, london says...
9:47pm Fri 18 Jul 08
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
9:49pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Jennifer, Croydon says...
10:20pm Fri 18 Jul 08
fred, croydon says...
10:30pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Jan, London, UK says...
11:14pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Florence, Wimbledon says...
11:22pm Fri 18 Jul 08
mo, no where says...
11:26pm Fri 18 Jul 08
ANNE GILES wrote:How rude she is??
Jennifer,what a load of balderdash and poppycock. Some people have posted comments saying that they saw something very different to what the others say and they state that police acted correctly. You may have been brought up in a household where chucking rubbish is OK, but in most households it is not. It is yobbish and anti-social behaviour and it was done deliberately as an anti-authority statement, no different to the scum that spit in the streets. It was nothing to do with race either. I can see that you obviously have "issues" - please address them instead of posting such utter drivel.
Chris, East Croydon says...
11:32pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Florence, says...
11:48pm Fri 18 Jul 08
To put things in proportion, I should perhaps have added that the Jamaican murder rate is roughly 23 times that of the UK.
tony, london says...
1:02am Sat 19 Jul 08
mark wrote:I was not there but according to the report above, the police was attacked first! If the police are attacked then they have every right to use force. What the hell do you expect them to do? It doesn't matter how small the crime is, if the police say you should pick up your dropped litter then you should do it.
tony wrote:Nobody has the right to assault anyone this includes the police. There's a correct way of dealing with littering, I'm sure that grabbing a young girl by the throat, hitting her repeatedly with a metal baton and spraying her with cs gas is not one of them. Furthermore, what you haven't been told is that another innocent girl who was there, was also hit in the head with the baton causing her head to be split open. So do you feel that this is justified because it was purportrated by the police. As I said before, I WAS THERE. WAS YOU.mark wrote: Despite what Colin says, the fact remains that I was there and did witness the whole incident. Whether you want to believe it or not, the officer attacked that young girl and anyone who thinks they were correct in there actions should go and take a long hard look at themselfs. She is a young girl and he is a fully grown man, would Colin and the rest of you be happy if a adult male assualted their daughter, I for one would not.So that means they have the right to attack the police? If someone is commitimg a crime then don't the police have a right to get heavy handed? In other words. If you was a officer and you told a young girl to pick up litter and she refuse, what would you do?
As what you said about nobody has the right to assault anyone then what about the police getting attacked by a mob of 30. Is that justified?
Hailey, leeds says...
2:56am Sat 19 Jul 08
Chris, Mitcham says...
9:02am Sat 19 Jul 08
Lisa wrote:Well, I certainly agree with Lisa on the first point! Like Croydon, Mitcham used to be a pretty decent place to live. Sadly, again like Croydon, it has been largely taken over by people who behave like animals. Does the fact that I live in a particular area and am therefore able to see that area's problems at first hand somehow disqualify me from making observations? Presumably if I liked in a more upmarket area, I would be accused of not being in touch and so again disqualified from commenting! Hardly seems fair to me.
Chris wrote:I am sure you know all about scum, living in Mitcham of all places. Would hardly call it the epitome of civilisation! I agree with Alan and Carly too, too many people on here up their own backsides.Lisa wrote: Oh right so dropping litter makes you a tramp? How many people on here can honestly say they havt never dropped litter? Doesnt warrant a beating though does it!Tramp? Maybe. Scum? Definitely! Of course I can honestly say I've never dropped litter - some of us were actually brought up to behave like civilised human beings. And as for your last point, show me the CCTV footage that proves that's what really happened and then I might bother to think of an answer.
katie, Thornton Heath says...
10:39am Sat 19 Jul 08
The police were taken to hosptial because they needed medical treatment!
People are so quick to blame the police. How about the blaming the girl who thought it was so cool to , DROP Litter , how does she live at home.? DROPPING LITTER is a crime
Kes, Upper Norwood says...
11:12am Sat 19 Jul 08
ANNE GILES wrote:I think the PC brigade like to call it a "rich ethnic mix". Do you get full advantage from it in Selsdon, though?
Personally, I would like our country to have the lovely ethnic mix it has now. There are different witnesses here telling completely opposing stories. If the other girl had her head split open, then an ambulance would have been called. So that is a lie for a start. I never drop litter anywhere. I put it in my bag until such time until I can find a suitable bin. There is no excuse for turning our nice town into a rubbish heap, but then maybe these girls already live in one, so they don't know the difference. If I were to witness police behaving badly, I would never summon 30 people to go and attack them. I would immediately contact one of their superior officers.
Tottenham Lad, London says...
11:18am Sat 19 Jul 08
Shades of South Africa and Zimbabwe.
Enoch Powell must be murmuring from his grave: "I told you so..."
martin, Essex says...
3:16pm Sat 19 Jul 08
robbed by black gangs and losing their confidence to go to the shops resonates with me. This was exactly what happened to my son until his white evil racist father (for daring to notice such things) decided to move 40 miles out of London.
mel, surrey says...
3:50pm Sat 19 Jul 08
JuliaM, Essex says...
7:09pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Some of you are stupid brutes and just need to stop talking when you don't know anything.I notice, Jennifer, you don't seem able to take your own advice there...
david easton, croydon says...
7:10pm Sat 19 Jul 08
JuliaM, Essex says...
7:12pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Funny how the Times and other papers left out the fact the mob was black.As did the BBC report. Thank god for the new media, where people can post their own views to a site like this and correct the erroneous assumption the old media would like us to make when these crimes happen...
Kes, Upper Norwood says...
9:15pm Sat 19 Jul 08
JuliaM wrote:You can rest assured that if the victims had been black and the attackers white that would have been in the headlines. It might even have been labelled as racist.
Funny how the Times and other papers left out the fact the mob was black.As did the BBC report. Thank god for the new media, where people can post their own views to a site like this and correct the erroneous assumption the old media would like us to make when these crimes happen...
ANNEGILES, SELSDON says...
11:04pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Croyboy, says...
8:04am Sun 20 Jul 08
Bob Peel wrote:Plenty, Bob, but they're consistently taken down, despite my assiduously keeping the this newspaper's own rules about posts, viz. "You must not post anything that is abusive, indecent, unlawful or defamatory". I've asked for an explanation a number of times, but thus far one hasn't been forthcoming (What a surprise!)
And what will the young scumbag receive - a caution!
Welcome to cráp Croydon, no respect but lots and lots of scummy kids.
Any comment Croyboy?
The British media in general, and such organs as the Croydon Guardian in particular, are terrified of those who present an informed, cogent argument on these matters; I suppose they feel threatened as they know in their heart of hearts they simply have no effective counter-argument.
BTW, see what's left of our comments on
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Fed up, Croydon says...
10:05am Mon 21 Jul 08
TWO cops marched a crying rape victim found naked in the street at 1am to a cab firm and made her pay the fare home.
The PCs, said to be nearing a tea break, were alerted by passers-by.
The £70,000-a-year executive, in her 30s, had been brutally attacked after a night out on a Thames partyboat.
She was left with only a black T-shirt to cover her.
Furious colleagues of the beat officers are shocked they did not drive her home or to a hospital or police station.
She was led to a cab office near Southwark tube station, South London, where staff told The Sun she desperately tried to cover herself up.
Last night Scotland Yard insisted the cops were unaware she had been raped. A relative unable to pick her up agreed she should go home by taxi. The victim, who is white, reported the July 4 attack the next day.
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But a senior source said: It should have been clear that she may have been sexually assaulted. To top it off, they then put her in cab with another strange man.
Detectives believe they lost forensic opportunities.
Shockingly, police think she may have been raped by an unlicensed TAXI DRIVER who drove her round before the attack. Det Insp Keith Richardson said: It would explain why weve not picked her up on CCTV. She is unable to say what happened.
So could it possibly be that the police were not fully in the right here? eh?!
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
10:23am Mon 21 Jul 08
Mick, says...
5:53pm Tue 22 Jul 08
As for those who think black people get special treatment under the law, should consider that of the murderers of black teenager, Stephen Lawrence, who are still free and able to carry on their violence and abuse against black people.
Immigrants, asylum seekers, refugees, migrants, muslims are being attacked and abused everyday in this country and you people say and do nothing.
Kes, Upper Norwood says...
8:40pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Kes, Upper Norwood says...
8:49pm Tue 22 Jul 08
ANNEGILES wrote:What- all down your lovely little cul-de-sac? How delightful!
Kes - re your earlier comment today - yes, we do have a rich ethnic mix in Selsdon. In my little cul-de-sac we have a lovely Afro-Caribbean gentleman married to an Eastern European lady with two delightful children. We have an Indian family who originally lived in Kenya, a family from Hong Kong - I think the rest are English. We have a cafe run by Turkish people and another owned by an Indian gentleman with a couple of Oriental employees serving. We have three Indian restaurants, a Mexican and an Italian. Fantastic place!!!
It's enough to warm the cockles of your heart. I prefer Jack's cafe- run by my mate just round the corner.
BatMan, Croydon says...
9:21pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Croyboy, says...
9:00am Wed 23 Jul 08
(See Orwell's Ministry of Truth in "Nineteen Eighty-Four")
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
11:28am Wed 23 Jul 08
Mick wrote:Mick, you are so, so right!!
Young girls attacked by the police and people find this acceptable! As for those who think black people get special treatment under the law, should consider that of the murderers of black teenager, Stephen Lawrence, who are still free and able to carry on their violence and abuse against black people. Immigrants, asylum seekers, refugees, migrants, muslims are being attacked and abused everyday in this country and you people say and do nothing.
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
11:30am Wed 23 Jul 08
BatMan wrote:You mean never HAVE guessed it. At least they can spell properly.
Surprise surprise their black! I would never of guessed it!
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
11:31am Wed 23 Jul 08
Scoffer, Beckenham says...
1:57pm Wed 23 Jul 08
HolySmoke, Croydon says...
2:29pm Wed 23 Jul 08
Mick wrote:Mike are you in Birmingham?
Young girls attacked by the police and people find this acceptable! As for those who think black people get special treatment under the law, should consider that of the murderers of black teenager, Stephen Lawrence, who are still free and able to carry on their violence and abuse against black people. Immigrants, asylum seekers, refugees, migrants, muslims are being attacked and abused everyday in this country and you people say and do nothing.
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Bob Peel, Croydon says...
10:41am Fri 18 Jul 08
Welcome to cráp Croydon, no respect but lots and lots of scummy kids.
Any comment Croyboy?