Worcester Park Councillor Stephen Fenwick convicted for racially aggravated assault in train station pub

Worcester Park councillor convicted for racially aggravated assault in train station pub

Worcester Park councillor convicted for racially aggravated assault in train station pub

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A Sutton councillor has pleaded guilty to racially aggravated assault.

Worcester Park Liberal Democrat Councillor Stephen Fenwick admitted a single count in front of Westminster magistrates yesterday and was handed a year-long conditional discharge and a fine.

He has voluntarily resigned the Liberal Democrat whip meaning he is no longer a member of the Liberal Democrat group on Sutton Council and is now an independent councillor.

Council leader Councillor Ruth Dombey has condemned Coun Fenwick’s actions.

The charge relates to an incident at the Bonapartes pub in Charing Cross station in central London on January 4. He was involved in an altercation with a barman and called him a migrant and told him to go back to his own country.

Coun Fenwick had been out watching football and to a friend's house and had been drinking heavily when he arrived at the bar.

The sentence means Coun Fenwick will not face punishment unless he commits a further crime in the next 12 months. He was also ordered to pay costs and fines totalling £200.

The Sutton Guardian has tried to contact Coun Fenwick for comment but he has yet to respond.

It is unclear whether he intends to resign as a councillor.

Prior to his resignation from the party he had been due to stand for reelection as a Lib Dem councillor. It is unclear whether he will stand in May's council elections.

Coun Dombey said: "Any form of racial intolerance or abuse is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. I have accepted his resignation."

Liberal Democrat Coun Lester Holloway took to Twitter to urge Coun Fenwick to make a stement. He tweeted: "It's essential that @steephen80 offers a full and unconditional apology for racially aggravated assault."

Coun Fenwick has been on Sutton Council since 2010 and is a member of several committees including the Cheam North and Worcester Park local committee and the development control committee.

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The incident happened at a pub inside London's Charing Cross station

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11:59am Tue 11 Mar 14

Giles C says...

Oh dear..yet another Lib Dem who lets his party down..seems to be a pattern emerging here..
Oh dear..yet another Lib Dem who lets his party down..seems to be a pattern emerging here.. Giles C
  • Score: 4

11:59am Tue 11 Mar 14

Niki R says...

He should step down immediately and stop taking taxpayers money. There should be no room for racism on our Council.
He should step down immediately and stop taking taxpayers money. There should be no room for racism on our Council. Niki R
  • Score: 16

12:05pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Mr Flange of Wallington says...

Can a councillor be sacked? If so, swift action should be taken and a by-election called.

What a disgrace to his party and voters.
Can a councillor be sacked? If so, swift action should be taken and a by-election called. What a disgrace to his party and voters. Mr Flange of Wallington
  • Score: 11

12:15pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Giles C says...

Mr Flange of Wallington wrote:
Can a councillor be sacked? If so, swift action should be taken and a by-election called.

What a disgrace to his party and voters.
We are too close to the May elections for a byelection to be called...
The local Lib Dems need to act quickly on this though as this story will gain wider traction.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Flange of Wallington[/bold] wrote: Can a councillor be sacked? If so, swift action should be taken and a by-election called. What a disgrace to his party and voters.[/p][/quote]We are too close to the May elections for a byelection to be called... The local Lib Dems need to act quickly on this though as this story will gain wider traction. Giles C
  • Score: 8

12:18pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Hove Ex-Pat says...

Niki R wrote:
He should step down immediately and stop taking taxpayers money. There should be no room for racism on our Council.
Totally agree. Even a "one off" racist incident is one too many when your are in public life. Resign, Mr Fenwick, don't make your party sack you.
[quote][p][bold]Niki R[/bold] wrote: He should step down immediately and stop taking taxpayers money. There should be no room for racism on our Council.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Even a "one off" racist incident is one too many when your are in public life. Resign, Mr Fenwick, don't make your party sack you. Hove Ex-Pat
  • Score: 21

12:19pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Marie from Sutton says...

Oups, his career is over I think.
Oups, his career is over I think. Marie from Sutton
  • Score: 10

1:53pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Keysie64 says...

I wondered why he wasn't at the council meeting. I wonder why the Lib Dems have not taken the whip from him or do they back his actions
I wondered why he wasn't at the council meeting. I wonder why the Lib Dems have not taken the whip from him or do they back his actions Keysie64
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Keysie64 says...

I wondered why he wasn't at the council meeting. I wonder why the Lib Dems have not taken the whip from him or do they back his actions
I wondered why he wasn't at the council meeting. I wonder why the Lib Dems have not taken the whip from him or do they back his actions Keysie64
  • Score: -7

2:11pm Tue 11 Mar 14

alviaeagle says...

It is essential that Cllr Fenwick give a full and unconditional apology which demonstrates a clear understanding of why it is so wrong to hurl racial abuse and commit assault. Only if he does this satisfactorily will he have my support as a fellow Lib Dem.
Cllr Lester Holloway (Sutton North Ward)
It is essential that Cllr Fenwick give a full and unconditional apology which demonstrates a clear understanding of why it is so wrong to hurl racial abuse and commit assault. Only if he does this satisfactorily will he have my support as a fellow Lib Dem. Cllr Lester Holloway (Sutton North Ward) alviaeagle
  • Score: -8

2:16pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Forty_two says...

I am a little surprised by this, he doesn't come across as the type to pick a fight.
I am a little surprised by this, he doesn't come across as the type to pick a fight. Forty_two
  • Score: 14

2:39pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Margaret_Hale says...

So according to his colleague, an apology will be enough to restore this violent man to the support of his fellow LibDems? Must say that is quite surprising.
So according to his colleague, an apology will be enough to restore this violent man to the support of his fellow LibDems? Must say that is quite surprising. Margaret_Hale
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Giles C says...

Margaret_Hale wrote:
So according to his colleague, an apology will be enough to restore this violent man to the support of his fellow LibDems? Must say that is quite surprising.
Im just surprised that you would find it surprising....
Knowing Lester Holloway as i do Cllr Fenwick will have to come up with a pretty darn good explanation for him to really forgive him.
Interestingly Cllr Fenwick was absent at full council last week.
[quote][p][bold]Margaret_Hale[/bold] wrote: So according to his colleague, an apology will be enough to restore this violent man to the support of his fellow LibDems? Must say that is quite surprising.[/p][/quote]Im just surprised that you would find it surprising.... Knowing Lester Holloway as i do Cllr Fenwick will have to come up with a pretty darn good explanation for him to really forgive him. Interestingly Cllr Fenwick was absent at full council last week. Giles C
  • Score: 2

3:00pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Margaret_Hale says...

Well he can apologise all he likes to his LibDem colleagues - it's the voters of Sutton who will decide. Will they really want to support a party that isn't all that bothered about a (possibly drunken) violent racist? Along with the likes of Lord Rennard, Mike Hancock, Chris Huhne?
Well he can apologise all he likes to his LibDem colleagues - it's the voters of Sutton who will decide. Will they really want to support a party that isn't all that bothered about a (possibly drunken) violent racist? Along with the likes of Lord Rennard, Mike Hancock, Chris Huhne? Margaret_Hale
  • Score: 2

3:06pm Tue 11 Mar 14

RBalboa says...

Terrible all round. I don't know about his colleagues forgiving him, but he's clearly no longer a Lib Dem. What else could they do but remove the whip?
Terrible all round. I don't know about his colleagues forgiving him, but he's clearly no longer a Lib Dem. What else could they do but remove the whip? RBalboa
  • Score: 8

3:35pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Giles C says...

Margaret_Hale wrote:
Well he can apologise all he likes to his LibDem colleagues - it's the voters of Sutton who will decide. Will they really want to support a party that isn't all that bothered about a (possibly drunken) violent racist? Along with the likes of Lord Rennard, Mike Hancock, Chris Huhne?
The trouble is Margaret that the voters of Sutton always seem to fall for it...
[quote][p][bold]Margaret_Hale[/bold] wrote: Well he can apologise all he likes to his LibDem colleagues - it's the voters of Sutton who will decide. Will they really want to support a party that isn't all that bothered about a (possibly drunken) violent racist? Along with the likes of Lord Rennard, Mike Hancock, Chris Huhne?[/p][/quote]The trouble is Margaret that the voters of Sutton always seem to fall for it... Giles C
  • Score: -5

4:55pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Mr Wotters says...

Twas a night in Charing Cross,
Thought I’d show him who is boss,
Beers were drowned, fists did they fly!
Thought I’d thump a migrant guy,
Gingerly I beg you tread,
Else, I’ll punch you in the head.
Twas a night in Charing Cross, Thought I’d show him who is boss, Beers were drowned, fists did they fly! Thought I’d thump a migrant guy, Gingerly I beg you tread, Else, I’ll punch you in the head. Mr Wotters
  • Score: -10

5:19pm Tue 11 Mar 14

AndyLikeGandhi says...

Niki R wrote:
He should step down immediately and stop taking taxpayers money. There should be no room for racism on our Council.
I certainly don't expect him to be re-running for council in May either!
[quote][p][bold]Niki R[/bold] wrote: He should step down immediately and stop taking taxpayers money. There should be no room for racism on our Council.[/p][/quote]I certainly don't expect him to be re-running for council in May either! AndyLikeGandhi
  • Score: 1

6:35pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Keysie64 says...

Point is the event happened on Jan 4th and as he pleaded guilty, why was he a Lib Dem Cllr at the local committee on Jan 30th. He was still a Lib Dem Cllr at the last full council meeting, when it is obvious that the Lib Dems knew about this.
Point is the event happened on Jan 4th and as he pleaded guilty, why was he a Lib Dem Cllr at the local committee on Jan 30th. He was still a Lib Dem Cllr at the last full council meeting, when it is obvious that the Lib Dems knew about this. Keysie64
  • Score: 3

7:30pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Mr Flange of Wallington says...

Keysie64 wrote:
Point is the event happened on Jan 4th and as he pleaded guilty, why was he a Lib Dem Cllr at the local committee on Jan 30th. He was still a Lib Dem Cllr at the last full council meeting, when it is obvious that the Lib Dems knew about this.
Anything for an extra vote at the meeting.
[quote][p][bold]Keysie64[/bold] wrote: Point is the event happened on Jan 4th and as he pleaded guilty, why was he a Lib Dem Cllr at the local committee on Jan 30th. He was still a Lib Dem Cllr at the last full council meeting, when it is obvious that the Lib Dems knew about this.[/p][/quote]Anything for an extra vote at the meeting. Mr Flange of Wallington
  • Score: 2

10:56pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Niki R says...

How dreadful that his Lib Dem colleagues have long been aware that he had issues but chose not to help him, but pile on the pressure. Callous.
How dreadful that his Lib Dem colleagues have long been aware that he had issues but chose not to help him, but pile on the pressure. Callous. Niki R
  • Score: 2

11:01am Wed 12 Mar 14

David7 says...

It appears the LibDems have now disowned him, despite what one of his colleagues has implied here. Stalin-fashion and wiped from history, he has disappeared from the LibDems’ own web site...

... and let’s be clear – the LibDems didn’t take the whip from him – he resigned.

As Niki R points out, Cllr Fenwick received little – if any – pastoral support from his colleagues, which suggests a either a worrying degree of ruthlessness, or is a sad reflection of their ethos.

And as GilesC so rightly observes, for some strange reason the LibDems still seem to garner the votes in Sutton. I wonder what a LibDem would have to do around here to actually get chucked out. Murder?
It appears the LibDems have now disowned him, despite what one of his colleagues has implied here. Stalin-fashion and wiped from history, he has disappeared from the LibDems’ own web site... ... and let’s be clear – the LibDems didn’t take the whip from him – he resigned. As Niki R points out, Cllr Fenwick received little – if any – pastoral support from his colleagues, which suggests a either a worrying degree of ruthlessness, or is a sad reflection of their ethos. And as GilesC so rightly observes, for some strange reason the LibDems still seem to garner the votes in Sutton. I wonder what a LibDem would have to do around here to actually get chucked out. Murder? David7
  • Score: 4

12:26am Thu 13 Mar 14

imasumak says...

At the end of the day, It is for the voters of Sutton to decide what kind of people they want to place their trust in to act responsibly as a member of the Council. In addition the same applies to the selection of a "Party". It is the principles, character and credibility of each potential council member which determines whether or not the public can afford to trust them to serve the peoples best interests.
At the end of the day, It is for the voters of Sutton to decide what kind of people they want to place their trust in to act responsibly as a member of the Council. In addition the same applies to the selection of a "Party". It is the principles, character and credibility of each potential council member which determines whether or not the public can afford to trust them to serve the peoples best interests. imasumak
  • Score: 0

8:07pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

I am not particularly condoning this incident, but aren't we all getting a little OTT and ultra-sensitive and slaves to political correctness? Supposing the barman had been from Yorkshire, Wales, Manchester, Newcastle or Scotland and a drunk had told him to f-off back to where he came from, would he be charged with "racially aggravated assault"? I suspect not. Shouldn't the barman just have laughed it off and served somebody else or told this chap he was barred? Do we really have to waste the court's time with such trivial nonsense?
I am not particularly condoning this incident, but aren't we all getting a little OTT and ultra-sensitive and slaves to political correctness? Supposing the barman had been from Yorkshire, Wales, Manchester, Newcastle or Scotland and a drunk had told him to f-off back to where he came from, would he be charged with "racially aggravated assault"? I suspect not. Shouldn't the barman just have laughed it off and served somebody else or told this chap he was barred? Do we really have to waste the court's time with such trivial nonsense? Roy Stockdill
  • Score: -15

8:18pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Giles C says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
I am not particularly condoning this incident, but aren't we all getting a little OTT and ultra-sensitive and slaves to political correctness? Supposing the barman had been from Yorkshire, Wales, Manchester, Newcastle or Scotland and a drunk had told him to f-off back to where he came from, would he be charged with "racially aggravated assault"? I suspect not. Shouldn't the barman just have laughed it off and served somebody else or told this chap he was barred? Do we really have to waste the court's time with such trivial nonsense?
Yeah alright..
That wasnt the case though
Went to bonarpartes at Charing cross today
More to follow...
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: I am not particularly condoning this incident, but aren't we all getting a little OTT and ultra-sensitive and slaves to political correctness? Supposing the barman had been from Yorkshire, Wales, Manchester, Newcastle or Scotland and a drunk had told him to f-off back to where he came from, would he be charged with "racially aggravated assault"? I suspect not. Shouldn't the barman just have laughed it off and served somebody else or told this chap he was barred? Do we really have to waste the court's time with such trivial nonsense?[/p][/quote]Yeah alright.. That wasnt the case though Went to bonarpartes at Charing cross today More to follow... Giles C
  • Score: 6

8:30pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

Well, I look forward to what else you propose to write. However, my initial feeling is that the barman must have been a bit, as I said, hyper-sensitive! Ah, diddums, he was insulted by a customer. Isn't that what barmen get paid for? My dad was a publican for years in Yorkshire and it used to happen to him almost every night. He laughed if off and the customer usually ended up buying him a drink to apologise. It never used to be a crime until this nonsensical offence of "racially aggravated assault" was introduced into our lunatic, politically correct society.
Well, I look forward to what else you propose to write. However, my initial feeling is that the barman must have been a bit, as I said, hyper-sensitive! Ah, diddums, he was insulted by a customer. Isn't that what barmen get paid for? My dad was a publican for years in Yorkshire and it used to happen to him almost every night. He laughed if off and the customer usually ended up buying him a drink to apologise. It never used to be a crime until this nonsensical offence of "racially aggravated assault" was introduced into our lunatic, politically correct society. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: -16

9:21pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Giles C says...

Roy Stockdill wrote:
Well, I look forward to what else you propose to write. However, my initial feeling is that the barman must have been a bit, as I said, hyper-sensitive! Ah, diddums, he was insulted by a customer. Isn't that what barmen get paid for? My dad was a publican for years in Yorkshire and it used to happen to him almost every night. He laughed if off and the customer usually ended up buying him a drink to apologise. It never used to be a crime until this nonsensical offence of "racially aggravated assault" was introduced into our lunatic, politically correct society.
Hang on..
He pleaded guilty..
What's did sums about that..
Secondly he told the batman to f...off back to his own country and then tried to deck him..
If that's what you want off expect of your elected reps then please continue to vote for lunatics...
[quote][p][bold]Roy Stockdill[/bold] wrote: Well, I look forward to what else you propose to write. However, my initial feeling is that the barman must have been a bit, as I said, hyper-sensitive! Ah, diddums, he was insulted by a customer. Isn't that what barmen get paid for? My dad was a publican for years in Yorkshire and it used to happen to him almost every night. He laughed if off and the customer usually ended up buying him a drink to apologise. It never used to be a crime until this nonsensical offence of "racially aggravated assault" was introduced into our lunatic, politically correct society.[/p][/quote]Hang on.. He pleaded guilty.. What's did sums about that.. Secondly he told the batman to f...off back to his own country and then tried to deck him.. If that's what you want off expect of your elected reps then please continue to vote for lunatics... Giles C
  • Score: 6

10:08pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

It all still seems a bit of a storm in a tea cup (or should that be beer glass?) to me. Why did the barman have to run squealing to the police and the law, poor little soul? Was his dignity offended or something?

I agree, it's not quite the sort of behaviour one expects from a councillor, but it doesn't seem to me worth bothering magistrates with. And even if it was, if he tried to "deck" the barman, then surely that should have been a straight-forward old -fashioned charge of common assault or GBH? Why bring in this recently introduced nonsense of "racially aggravated assault" with its politically correct-charged garbage, just because the victim was an immigrant? If the barman had punched the customer, would he have been charged with racially aggravated assault? I tend to doubt it. The law seems to be entirely on the side of immigrants now, some of them criminals, and against the indigenous British.
It all still seems a bit of a storm in a tea cup (or should that be beer glass?) to me. Why did the barman have to run squealing to the police and the law, poor little soul? Was his dignity offended or something? I agree, it's not quite the sort of behaviour one expects from a councillor, but it doesn't seem to me worth bothering magistrates with. And even if it was, if he tried to "deck" the barman, then surely that should have been a straight-forward old -fashioned charge of common assault or GBH? Why bring in this recently introduced nonsense of "racially aggravated assault" with its politically correct-charged garbage, just because the victim was an immigrant? If the barman had punched the customer, would he have been charged with racially aggravated assault? I tend to doubt it. The law seems to be entirely on the side of immigrants now, some of them criminals, and against the indigenous British. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: -14

7:13am Fri 14 Mar 14

Realist75 says...

The anti white whitey brigade out again! You do good ers make everyone want to puke
The anti white whitey brigade out again! You do good ers make everyone want to puke Realist75
  • Score: -15

9:26am Fri 14 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

As I said previously, I am not condoning this incident for a moment, however if the barman the councillor got into a dispute with was anything like a couple I've encountered I am not entirely surprised he lost his rag. To start with, it's difficult to find a barman in London these days who understands and speaks English or who appears to know the first thing about how to serve customers or knows anything about the drinks he's supposed to be serving! I encountered one at Victoria station who hadn't the faintest idea what I was talking about when I asked for a large G and T and another at Euston Station who told me he couldn't serve me a glass of Merlot, only by the bottle. I tried to tell him Merlot was red wine and of course they served it by the glass because I'd had a glass of it dozens of times in the station bar. The manager was sent for and it turned out the barman "couldn't understand your accent, sir" and thought I was asking for a glass of Miller's!!! To be told in your own country that a foreigner can't understand your accent is, needless to say, somewhat galling. Wouldn't one have thought that if someone wants to work behind a bar they would at least be made to learn English and also the vernacular and terms of the trade? I suppose I was lucky the foreign barman who couldn't understand my accent didn't accuse me of "racially aggravated assault" - a totally invented crime, invented by the Equality Czars of New Labour so that thin-skinned, hypersensitive immigrants could run whining and squealing to their mummies because some nasty English person insulted them.
As I said previously, I am not condoning this incident for a moment, however if the barman the councillor got into a dispute with was anything like a couple I've encountered I am not entirely surprised he lost his rag. To start with, it's difficult to find a barman in London these days who understands and speaks English or who appears to know the first thing about how to serve customers or knows anything about the drinks he's supposed to be serving! I encountered one at Victoria station who hadn't the faintest idea what I was talking about when I asked for a large G and T and another at Euston Station who told me he couldn't serve me a glass of Merlot, only by the bottle. I tried to tell him Merlot was red wine and of course they served it by the glass because I'd had a glass of it dozens of times in the station bar. The manager was sent for and it turned out the barman "couldn't understand your accent, sir" and thought I was asking for a glass of Miller's!!! To be told in your own country that a foreigner can't understand your accent is, needless to say, somewhat galling. Wouldn't one have thought that if someone wants to work behind a bar they would at least be made to learn English and also the vernacular and terms of the trade? I suppose I was lucky the foreign barman who couldn't understand my accent didn't accuse me of "racially aggravated assault" - a totally invented crime, invented by the Equality Czars of New Labour so that thin-skinned, hypersensitive immigrants could run whining and squealing to their mummies because some nasty English person insulted them. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: -20

12:18pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Realist75 says...

This just proves that Wimbledon , Sutton and surrounding cess Pitts are awash with cultural marxists - Frankfurt school politically correct numb nuts! Get a life you retards
This just proves that Wimbledon , Sutton and surrounding cess Pitts are awash with cultural marxists - Frankfurt school politically correct numb nuts! Get a life you retards Realist75
  • Score: -16

12:31pm Fri 14 Mar 14

berrybabe says...

Noteworthy that the Lib Dems withdrew the whip from this councillor, airbrushing him out of their team after he was found guilty.
 
Next door in Kingston, however, the Tories 100% backed a Conservative  councillor who was found guilty of drink driving. No resignation, no withdrawal of party whip, or any reprimand whatsoever.
 
Quite the opposite in fact, as the Tories actually queued up to downplay her selfish anti-social behaviour. And that's despite the Kingston Tory leader being an ex-high ranking Met Police officer.
 
My understanding is that all Met police officers caught for drink driving over the last few years have been sacked or forced to resign. Illuminating to see the Kingston Tories' top dog not upholding the same standards for his Tory councillors.
 
And if we look to our other neighbour, Croydon, we have the most unbelievable Tory hypocrisy ever, where an ex-IRA Tory terrorist who hid her old shopping lists ( rocket launchers, grenades, and automatic rifles, to kill British soldiers ) was unbelievably welcomed back into the Tory fold.
 
You asked what does someone do to have to get expelled from the Lib Dems, murder? You should have been asking the Tories instead. The Tories have shown that Drink Driving and terrorist arms running aren't good enough to lose the Tory whip.
 
The Lib Dems on the other hand are ruthlessly quick to airbrush errant councillors from their organisation.
Noteworthy that the Lib Dems withdrew the whip from this councillor, airbrushing him out of their team after he was found guilty.   Next door in Kingston, however, the Tories 100% backed a Conservative  councillor who was found guilty of drink driving. No resignation, no withdrawal of party whip, or any reprimand whatsoever.   Quite the opposite in fact, as the Tories actually queued up to downplay her selfish anti-social behaviour. And that's despite the Kingston Tory leader being an ex-high ranking Met Police officer.   My understanding is that all Met police officers caught for drink driving over the last few years have been sacked or forced to resign. Illuminating to see the Kingston Tories' top dog not upholding the same standards for his Tory councillors.   And if we look to our other neighbour, Croydon, we have the most unbelievable Tory hypocrisy ever, where an ex-IRA Tory terrorist who hid her old shopping lists ( rocket launchers, grenades, and automatic rifles, to kill British soldiers ) was unbelievably welcomed back into the Tory fold.   You asked what does someone do to have to get expelled from the Lib Dems, murder? You should have been asking the Tories instead. The Tories have shown that Drink Driving and terrorist arms running aren't good enough to lose the Tory whip.   The Lib Dems on the other hand are ruthlessly quick to airbrush errant councillors from their organisation. berrybabe
  • Score: 18

1:05pm Fri 14 Mar 14

edstar says...

Realist75 wrote:
This just proves that Wimbledon , Sutton and surrounding cess Pitts are awash with cultural marxists - Frankfurt school politically correct numb nuts! Get a life you retards
We were all waiting for your catchphrase, "cultural marxists" to be dolled out.

Now you should have your meds before you get so outraged that you explode with (cultural marxist) indignation!
[quote][p][bold]Realist75[/bold] wrote: This just proves that Wimbledon , Sutton and surrounding cess Pitts are awash with cultural marxists - Frankfurt school politically correct numb nuts! Get a life you retards[/p][/quote]We were all waiting for your catchphrase, "cultural marxists" to be dolled out. Now you should have your meds before you get so outraged that you explode with (cultural marxist) indignation! edstar
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Fri 14 Mar 14

edstar says...

Realist75 wrote:
This just proves that Wimbledon , Sutton and surrounding cess Pitts are awash with cultural marxists - Frankfurt school politically correct numb nuts! Get a life you retards
We were all waiting for your catchphrase, "cultural marxists" to be dolled out.

Now you should have your meds before you get so outraged that you explode with (cultural marxist) indignation!
[quote][p][bold]Realist75[/bold] wrote: This just proves that Wimbledon , Sutton and surrounding cess Pitts are awash with cultural marxists - Frankfurt school politically correct numb nuts! Get a life you retards[/p][/quote]We were all waiting for your catchphrase, "cultural marxists" to be dolled out. Now you should have your meds before you get so outraged that you explode with (cultural marxist) indignation! edstar
  • Score: 6

1:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Giles C says...

berrybabe wrote:
Noteworthy that the Lib Dems withdrew the whip from this councillor, airbrushing him out of their team after he was found guilty.
 
Next door in Kingston, however, the Tories 100% backed a Conservative  councillor who was found guilty of drink driving. No resignation, no withdrawal of party whip, or any reprimand whatsoever.
 
Quite the opposite in fact, as the Tories actually queued up to downplay her selfish anti-social behaviour. And that's despite the Kingston Tory leader being an ex-high ranking Met Police officer.
 
My understanding is that all Met police officers caught for drink driving over the last few years have been sacked or forced to resign. Illuminating to see the Kingston Tories' top dog not upholding the same standards for his Tory councillors.
 
And if we look to our other neighbour, Croydon, we have the most unbelievable Tory hypocrisy ever, where an ex-IRA Tory terrorist who hid her old shopping lists ( rocket launchers, grenades, and automatic rifles, to kill British soldiers ) was unbelievably welcomed back into the Tory fold.
 
You asked what does someone do to have to get expelled from the Lib Dems, murder? You should have been asking the Tories instead. The Tories have shown that Drink Driving and terrorist arms running aren't good enough to lose the Tory whip.
 
The Lib Dems on the other hand are ruthlessly quick to airbrush errant councillors from their organisation.
Unless their name is Rennard or Huhne or Cyril Smith or Mark Oaten..or how about Derek Osbourne...!!!
Lib Dems used to pride themselves on portraying their party as the party which was whiter than white..no longer I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]berrybabe[/bold] wrote: Noteworthy that the Lib Dems withdrew the whip from this councillor, airbrushing him out of their team after he was found guilty.   Next door in Kingston, however, the Tories 100% backed a Conservative  councillor who was found guilty of drink driving. No resignation, no withdrawal of party whip, or any reprimand whatsoever.   Quite the opposite in fact, as the Tories actually queued up to downplay her selfish anti-social behaviour. And that's despite the Kingston Tory leader being an ex-high ranking Met Police officer.   My understanding is that all Met police officers caught for drink driving over the last few years have been sacked or forced to resign. Illuminating to see the Kingston Tories' top dog not upholding the same standards for his Tory councillors.   And if we look to our other neighbour, Croydon, we have the most unbelievable Tory hypocrisy ever, where an ex-IRA Tory terrorist who hid her old shopping lists ( rocket launchers, grenades, and automatic rifles, to kill British soldiers ) was unbelievably welcomed back into the Tory fold.   You asked what does someone do to have to get expelled from the Lib Dems, murder? You should have been asking the Tories instead. The Tories have shown that Drink Driving and terrorist arms running aren't good enough to lose the Tory whip.   The Lib Dems on the other hand are ruthlessly quick to airbrush errant councillors from their organisation.[/p][/quote]Unless their name is Rennard or Huhne or Cyril Smith or Mark Oaten..or how about Derek Osbourne...!!! Lib Dems used to pride themselves on portraying their party as the party which was whiter than white..no longer I'm afraid. Giles C
  • Score: -1

1:46pm Fri 14 Mar 14

berrybabe says...

You're underlining the point I'm making. The Lib Dems distanced themselves from their law breakers, but the Tories locally refuse to do the same.

It's ridiculous that an ex- senior Met Police man doesn't discipline one of his Kingston Tory councillors for drink driving.

And distasteful for Croydon Tories to welcome back a self-confessed IRA activist who tried to buy rocket launchers, grenades and automatic rifles for the purposes of killing British soldiers. Incredible really, just read this Croydon Guardian article.

http://goo.gl/JpGfJJ


And utterly absurd to welcome ex-IRA terrorists into Croydon Tories. Just read this:
You're underlining the point I'm making. The Lib Dems distanced themselves from their law breakers, but the Tories locally refuse to do the same. It's ridiculous that an ex- senior Met Police man doesn't discipline one of his Kingston Tory councillors for drink driving. And distasteful for Croydon Tories to welcome back a self-confessed IRA activist who tried to buy rocket launchers, grenades and automatic rifles for the purposes of killing British soldiers. Incredible really, just read this Croydon Guardian article. http://goo.gl/JpGfJJ And utterly absurd to welcome ex-IRA terrorists into Croydon Tories. Just read this: berrybabe
  • Score: 13

2:50pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Realist75 says...

Coming from a real commie moron, now we mustn't expose the truth eh R-ed star! The only one frothing at the mouth with bile is you !
Coming from a real commie moron, now we mustn't expose the truth eh R-ed star! The only one frothing at the mouth with bile is you ! Realist75
  • Score: -2

2:54pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Giles C says...

berrybabe wrote:
You're underlining the point I'm making. The Lib Dems distanced themselves from their law breakers, but the Tories locally refuse to do the same.

It's ridiculous that an ex- senior Met Police man doesn't discipline one of his Kingston Tory councillors for drink driving.

And distasteful for Croydon Tories to welcome back a self-confessed IRA activist who tried to buy rocket launchers, grenades and automatic rifles for the purposes of killing British soldiers. Incredible really, just read this Croydon Guardian article.

http://goo.gl/JpGfJJ



And utterly absurd to welcome ex-IRA terrorists into Croydon Tories. Just read this:
What a load of bull..
The lib Dems only kicked them out when they were exposed..they covered up Rennard,they covered up Cyril Smith and the others were only kicked out after trials..they knew about these people and did nothing...trying to compare with drink driving etc is frankly moronic..
[quote][p][bold]berrybabe[/bold] wrote: You're underlining the point I'm making. The Lib Dems distanced themselves from their law breakers, but the Tories locally refuse to do the same. It's ridiculous that an ex- senior Met Police man doesn't discipline one of his Kingston Tory councillors for drink driving. And distasteful for Croydon Tories to welcome back a self-confessed IRA activist who tried to buy rocket launchers, grenades and automatic rifles for the purposes of killing British soldiers. Incredible really, just read this Croydon Guardian article. http://goo.gl/JpGfJJ And utterly absurd to welcome ex-IRA terrorists into Croydon Tories. Just read this:[/p][/quote]What a load of bull.. The lib Dems only kicked them out when they were exposed..they covered up Rennard,they covered up Cyril Smith and the others were only kicked out after trials..they knew about these people and did nothing...trying to compare with drink driving etc is frankly moronic.. Giles C
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Fri 14 Mar 14

berrybabe says...

the Tories' problem is that it's clearly not bull.
 
 
Locally, the Lib dems in Sutton and Kingston permanently removed the Lib Dem whip from their law breakers.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)
 
 
Locally, the Tories in Sutton and Croydon refused to permanently remove the Tory whip from their law breakers.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)
 
 
The Tories' Kingston leader is an ex Met Police Inspector who refused to dismiss a drink driving Kingston Tory councillor as Tory councillor.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)
 
 
If the Tories' Kingston leader was still a Met Police Inspector, any officer in his team found guilty of drink driving would probably be dismissed from their post.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)
 
 
In Croydon, the Tories returned the Tory whip to a self-confessed IRA activist who tried to buy rocket launchers, grenades and automatic rifles for the purposes of killing British soldiers.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: see the Croydon Guardian article at http://goo.gl/JpGfJJ )
 
 
Locally, the Tories clearly don't think that lawbreaking is a bar to being a Tory councillor.
Trcik question - the only logical answer is TRUE.iles, old chap,
the Tories' problem is that it's clearly not bull.     Locally, the Lib dems in Sutton and Kingston permanently removed the Lib Dem whip from their law breakers. A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)     Locally, the Tories in Sutton and Croydon refused to permanently remove the Tory whip from their law breakers. A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)     The Tories' Kingston leader is an ex Met Police Inspector who refused to dismiss a drink driving Kingston Tory councillor as Tory councillor. A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)     If the Tories' Kingston leader was still a Met Police Inspector, any officer in his team found guilty of drink driving would probably be dismissed from their post. A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)     In Croydon, the Tories returned the Tory whip to a self-confessed IRA activist who tried to buy rocket launchers, grenades and automatic rifles for the purposes of killing British soldiers. A.True or B.False. (Clue: see the Croydon Guardian article at http://goo.gl/JpGfJJ )     Locally, the Tories clearly don't think that lawbreaking is a bar to being a Tory councillor. Trcik question - the only logical answer is TRUE.iles, old chap, berrybabe
  • Score: -1

4:44pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Giles C says...

berrybabe wrote:
the Tories' problem is that it's clearly not bull.
 
 
Locally, the Lib dems in Sutton and Kingston permanently removed the Lib Dem whip from their law breakers.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)
 
 
Locally, the Tories in Sutton and Croydon refused to permanently remove the Tory whip from their law breakers.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)
 
 
The Tories' Kingston leader is an ex Met Police Inspector who refused to dismiss a drink driving Kingston Tory councillor as Tory councillor.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)
 
 
If the Tories' Kingston leader was still a Met Police Inspector, any officer in his team found guilty of drink driving would probably be dismissed from their post.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)
 
 
In Croydon, the Tories returned the Tory whip to a self-confessed IRA activist who tried to buy rocket launchers, grenades and automatic rifles for the purposes of killing British soldiers.
A.True or B.False. (Clue: see the Croydon Guardian article at http://goo.gl/JpGfJJ )
 
 
Locally, the Tories clearly don't think that lawbreaking is a bar to being a Tory councillor.
Trcik question - the only logical answer is TRUE.iles, old chap,
This is typical Lib Dem crap trying to deflect the criticism of something that has actually happened.
Why in your last post did you keep saying Sutton and Croydon as though you are trying to taint Sutton Tories.
Go back in your cave or wherever you've crawled out from Mr Troll
[quote][p][bold]berrybabe[/bold] wrote: the Tories' problem is that it's clearly not bull.     Locally, the Lib dems in Sutton and Kingston permanently removed the Lib Dem whip from their law breakers. A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)     Locally, the Tories in Sutton and Croydon refused to permanently remove the Tory whip from their law breakers. A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)     The Tories' Kingston leader is an ex Met Police Inspector who refused to dismiss a drink driving Kingston Tory councillor as Tory councillor. A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)     If the Tories' Kingston leader was still a Met Police Inspector, any officer in his team found guilty of drink driving would probably be dismissed from their post. A.True or B.False. (Clue: TRUE)     In Croydon, the Tories returned the Tory whip to a self-confessed IRA activist who tried to buy rocket launchers, grenades and automatic rifles for the purposes of killing British soldiers. A.True or B.False. (Clue: see the Croydon Guardian article at http://goo.gl/JpGfJJ )     Locally, the Tories clearly don't think that lawbreaking is a bar to being a Tory councillor. Trcik question - the only logical answer is TRUE.iles, old chap,[/p][/quote]This is typical Lib Dem crap trying to deflect the criticism of something that has actually happened. Why in your last post did you keep saying Sutton and Croydon as though you are trying to taint Sutton Tories. Go back in your cave or wherever you've crawled out from Mr Troll Giles C
  • Score: 3

5:14pm Fri 14 Mar 14

David7 says...

Berrybabe, a point needs clarifying and a question asking of you, in the interests of accuracy.

1. The whip was not withdrawn from Cllr Fenwick – he had already resigned it. The LibDems were not proactive in this.

2. Which Tory councillors in Sutton have committed crimes and retained the whip, as you imply?

And, given some recent history in Kingston, the LibDems really shouldn’t spout off about anyone else’s leader’s conduct...
Berrybabe, a point needs clarifying and a question asking of you, in the interests of accuracy. 1. The whip was not withdrawn from Cllr Fenwick – he had already resigned it. The LibDems were not proactive in this. 2. Which Tory councillors in Sutton have committed crimes and retained the whip, as you imply? And, given some recent history in Kingston, the LibDems really shouldn’t spout off about anyone else’s leader’s conduct... David7
  • Score: 2

7:53pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Roy Stockdill says...

None of this debate is terribly interesting to me personally since I live in Watford (another Lib-Dem controlled town). However, the point I was endeavouring to make seems to have been entirely missed, which is that the so-called offence of "racially aggravated assault" is an absurd and invented crime, invented by the Equality Czars of New Labour, probably by that female idiot Harriet Harperson. The simple fact is that if someone assaults a barman - oh dear, sorry, that should be barPERSON - then there is a very simple old-fashioned charge to deal with it which is called common assault or GBH. The absurd addition of "racially aggravated" simply adds a totally false legal element to what really is a very simple case. In effect, this is a politically correct charter for poor, hard-done-by hypersensitive little immigrants to go running and squealing to the law and their mummies and a tribunal because some rude English person has upset them. Does anyone actually know of any case involving "racially aggravated assault" in which the victim was a British person and the perpetrator an immigrant, because I don't. It seems that so-called ethnic minorities now have it all their own way in OUR country.
None of this debate is terribly interesting to me personally since I live in Watford (another Lib-Dem controlled town). However, the point I was endeavouring to make seems to have been entirely missed, which is that the so-called offence of "racially aggravated assault" is an absurd and invented crime, invented by the Equality Czars of New Labour, probably by that female idiot Harriet Harperson. The simple fact is that if someone assaults a barman - oh dear, sorry, that should be barPERSON - then there is a very simple old-fashioned charge to deal with it which is called common assault or GBH. The absurd addition of "racially aggravated" simply adds a totally false legal element to what really is a very simple case. In effect, this is a politically correct charter for poor, hard-done-by hypersensitive little immigrants to go running and squealing to the law and their mummies and a tribunal because some rude English person has upset them. Does anyone actually know of any case involving "racially aggravated assault" in which the victim was a British person and the perpetrator an immigrant, because I don't. It seems that so-called ethnic minorities now have it all their own way in OUR country. Roy Stockdill
  • Score: -6

12:57pm Thu 20 Mar 14

GreenBrown says...

I don't believe this story. A Lib Dem councillor showing signs of being normal. In the heat of the moment, picking up on someones most obvious attribute, in this case ethnicity, and using that in an outburst is quite normal. If the barman had of been fat or lanky or bald or whatever i'm sure that would have been the first thing to come to mind in an outburst. Maybe two combined. Any crime that has the words racially motivated in it is a nonsense and will disappear when this country gets back to some sort of normality.

Roy Stockdill and Realist75 = normal

The rest = brainwashed idiots

Generally speaking, you know when a post is speaking sense, it will be the one with the most minuses.

I suspect many of the champions of political correctness on this site don't know very much about the Frankfurt school. Maybe they should read up on it and at least find out the origins of their warped mindset. Could do them and the country some good.
I don't believe this story. A Lib Dem councillor showing signs of being normal. In the heat of the moment, picking up on someones most obvious attribute, in this case ethnicity, and using that in an outburst is quite normal. If the barman had of been fat or lanky or bald or whatever i'm sure that would have been the first thing to come to mind in an outburst. Maybe two combined. Any crime that has the words racially motivated in it is a nonsense and will disappear when this country gets back to some sort of normality. Roy Stockdill and Realist75 = normal The rest = brainwashed idiots Generally speaking, you know when a post is speaking sense, it will be the one with the most minuses. I suspect many of the champions of political correctness on this site don't know very much about the Frankfurt school. Maybe they should read up on it and at least find out the origins of their warped mindset. Could do them and the country some good. GreenBrown
  • Score: 1

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