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Five arrested over teen's murder
1:05pm Sunday 6th July 2008
Comments (54)Five people have been arrested in connection with the murder of 16-year-old Shakilus Townsend in Thornton Heath.
Four males and one girl are currently being quizzed at two south London police stations over the killing.
One arrest was made on Saturday night, the other four were made this morning.
The two male teens arrested are aged 16 and 17, two other men aged 18 and 22 are being held and the girl is 16.
Shakilus, from Tanners Hill, Deptford, was attacked by a masked gang as he walked through Beulah Crescent.
He was knifed more than once and hit round the head by the group which also included one teenage girl among its number on Thursday afternoon.
Reports suggested the teen may have been lured to the area by the girl so he could be attacked.
Residents in the road tried to comfort the terrified teen until emergency services arrived.
Police and ambulance crew found him suffering from stab wounds in a doorway and calling desperately for his mum.
He was rushed to hospital but died just after midnight on Friday.
His mum, Nicola Dyer and dad Derek, thanked one Beulah Crescent resident, Sharon Simpson, for trying to save their son.
The teen's parents visited the site where he was stabbed yesterday where floral tributes had been left.
Pictures of Shakilus brandishing weapons including a knife and a gun have been found by national newspaper reporters on an internet site set up in his memory.
Shakilus' stepmum, who has not been named, called on the Government to send violent teens to Iraq.
She said: "There's no punishment and that's why the children do what they do. We as parents are very angry because nothing is being done and every single day we're burying a child. When these youths commit these crimes they must be sent to Iraq."
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Jatt, thornton heath says...
1:51pm Sun 6 Jul 08
i live not far from beulah road my nephew/nieces go to beulah infants so this naturaly has left me angery and sad. Theres a whole american gang violence culture spreading through uk even when i travel north of the country i witness young white boys/girls adopting this american style hoody gang culture and now we got victims step mother talking about sending mindless brutal killers to iraq so they can satisfy their blood thirst on innocent iraqi victims. what the heck is she thinking that she would rather have these scum kill somone else rather than her children? regardless.. she should take back her comments and talk about better policing and establishing early warning systems so these trashbags can be locked up for good. In america they are already recruiting mindless thugs from ghettos to go fight their illegal war you seriously think when these killers return back to usa they will be better citizens? i blame this american trash gang culture which is showing its evil face here in uk through hiphop and tv all thanks to this bloody goverment!!
dave, croydon says...
3:05pm Sun 6 Jul 08
woodie wrote:Arresting someone is one thing,lets see if anyone gets charge or will they be let free pending further police enquiries as usually happens
Now is the time for Croydon resdidence to get behind Croydon police in stead of slagging them off they are one of the best teams in London they have just proved how good they are. WELL DONE CROYDON BOROUGH POLICE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
woodie, kent says...
3:32pm Sun 6 Jul 08
We will see ?
You might just be eating your words
Let's just get behind the Croydon Police instead of slagging them off
You might just be eating your words
Let's just get behind the Croydon Police instead of slagging them off
jim, london says...
6:24pm Sun 6 Jul 08
Aaah how sweet. A bit of Africa comes to Croyden
me, croydon says...
6:47pm Sun 6 Jul 08
Jim, London says. "Aaah how sweet. A bit of Africa comes to Croyden"
What has Africa got to do with this subject? maybe I'm just a bit thick. If the comment is directed at gang violence this culture seems to stem from the U.S not Africa.
What has Africa got to do with this subject? maybe I'm just a bit thick. If the comment is directed at gang violence this culture seems to stem from the U.S not Africa.
Jennifer, london says...
7:19pm Sun 6 Jul 08
a life for a life
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
8:45pm Sun 6 Jul 08
Well done, police.
dave, croydon says...
8:47pm Sun 6 Jul 08
And now i see from the national papers that the good angel like boy was a member of a gang himself with pictures of him holding a knife and a gun
Michael, Croydon says...
11:01pm Sun 6 Jul 08
dave wrote:So because this child pictured himself holding a gun and a knife he deserved to die?!? these teens just want to grow up to quickly what the hell can anyone have done at the age of 16 they have not even lived enough to make any real enemies like some 35 year old crack dealer might have.
And now i see from the national papers that the good angel like boy was a member of a gang himself with pictures of him holding a knife and a gun
c may, BROMLEY says...
11:07pm Sun 6 Jul 08
UNTIL THIS COUNTRY BRINGS BACK C PUNISHMENT IN SCHOOLS AND 6 MONTHS NATIONAL SERVICE FOR BOTH SEXES ON LEAVING SCHOOLS AND MAKING PARENTS LEGALY RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE OUT OF CONTROL KIDS THIS COUNTRY IS FINISHED
dave, croydon says...
11:15pm Sun 6 Jul 08
Michael wrote:No he doesnt deserve to die but if you live by the knife you are likely to die by the knife
dave wrote: And now i see from the national papers that the good angel like boy was a member of a gang himself with pictures of him holding a knife and a gunSo because this child pictured himself holding a gun and a knife he deserved to die?!? these teens just want to grow up to quickly what the hell can anyone have done at the age of 16 they have not even lived enough to make any real enemies like some 35 year old crack dealer might have.
Jock, London says...
1:43am Mon 7 Jul 08
jim wrote:Jim. You FOOL. You cannot even spell "Croydon" correctly. It shows us all the level of your mentality.
Aaah how sweet. A bit of Africa comes to Croyden
Did your nurse turn on the PC for you? Or are you reminding us all that the borough of Dullsville is alive, and kicking? The latter wins, I think.
angela smith, croydon says...
1:49am Mon 7 Jul 08
The national papers you couldnt wait to put the knife in further. HIS PARENTS ARE GRIEVING, for god sake HE WAS A CHILD, Yes we know hemayhave been pictured with aknife,we know its wrongbut tothekids it looks cool posing as a hard boy, this image dosent mean he was a thug,he didnt come down to croydon with a weapon or the intent to hurt anyone,a cold hearted cow lured him to his death and know all we can do is slag him off and his body isnt cold,you might have well pushed the knife yourself,they reported he lied about his age to get girls,GET REAL who hasnt lied about there age.am not interested in all that crap, he was a baby someone's baby,and when it came down to it,he was just left to die. the streets are powerful and can often be more powerful than the some parents who raised their children correctly and live a decent life. Society has created this and society have to FIX this, how did we get to this. lets share a thought for the parents right now,let them remember what their child was like around them,lets not add to there grief.We have to take control of our children again not walk away because its someone else is problem,our child could be next. Howevere i do agree strongly that prison is not good enough, if you want to be an animal then you should use these skills in the army to combat against a good cause. WE are just un doing all the work that Martin Lurther king done. This is everyones problem not a black issue. PEACE AND LOVE GOES OUT TO HIS FAMILY, god bless his soul.I hope justice is served in regards to the female who arranged this event if this is the case.
woodie, kent says...
7:22am Mon 7 Jul 08
Now lets hope the courts do a good of a job as CROYDON POLICE life should mean life when you do a crime you should have no human rights what about the victims human rights. ALL THE PEOPLE OF CROYDON NEED TO GET BEHIND THE POLICE AND NOT WORK AGAINST THEM they will prove how good they are when these youths all get charged
Maria, Surrey says...
8:22am Mon 7 Jul 08
c may wrote:Well done C May, what you said has hit the nail on the head. these kids are running wild and doing what they want. they need to bring back C punishment or if they keep reoffending put them in the army. send them to iraq, if they like killing so much let them do it over there.
UNTIL THIS COUNTRY BRINGS BACK C PUNISHMENT IN SCHOOLS AND 6 MONTHS NATIONAL SERVICE FOR BOTH SEXES ON LEAVING SCHOOLS AND MAKING PARENTS LEGALY RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE OUT OF CONTROL KIDS THIS COUNTRY IS FINISHED
sista.screwz, norbury says...
9:46am Mon 7 Jul 08
So because this child pictured himself holding a gun and a knife he deserved to die?!? these teens just want to grow up to quickly what the hell can anyone have done at the age of 16 they have not even lived enough to make any real enemies like some 35 year old crack dealer might have.
police need 2 do betta now ah dais kmt
police need 2 do betta now ah dais kmt
Jeround, USA says...
11:03am Mon 7 Jul 08
Sadly fatal stabbings do not surprise me any more. I've been alive 30 years and don't think I have ever had a photo taken of me holding a knife (except on one occasion I was holding a butter knife cutting my cake at my 4th birthday party). Those that wish to pose with knives for photos are obviously proud to be in possession of them. Does that make it coincidence he was stabbed? I think not!! Live by the sword, die by the sword. Incidentally the photo used in this article looks like a Police mug shot NOT a bus pass photo! I wonder if hed ever been arrested before??!! It's just missing the placard at the bottom which appears to have been edited! And before people start having a go, yes I do agree that the parents are probably devastated but perhaps if they have any more children they may need to revise the way in which they bring them up!!
Kes, says...
11:05am Mon 7 Jul 08
ANNE GILES wrote:For what?
Well done, police.
Jeround, Somewhere says...
11:06am Mon 7 Jul 08
Sadly Im not surprised by fatal stabbings anymore. I've been alive 30 years and don't think I have ever had a photo taken of me holding a knife of any description (except on one occasion holding a butter knife cutting my cake at my 4th birthday party). Those that wish to pose with knives for photos are obviously proud to be in possession of them. Does that make it coincidence he was stabbed? I think not!! Live by the sword, die by the sword. Incidentally the photo used in this article looks like a Police mug shot NOT a bus pass photo! I wonder if hed ever been arrested before??!! It's just missing the placard at the bottom which appears to have been edited! And before people start having a go, yes I do agree that the parents are probably devastated but perhaps if they have any more children they may need to revise the way in which they bring them up!!
Amy, Croydon says...
11:10am Mon 7 Jul 08
some interesting comments on here, as someone has pointed out the boy in question was photographed with a knife, yes this is wrong, yes he may have been involved some way with gangs BUT what we have to ask is why do our youths feel posing with a knife or gun is cool. Why are young people so absorbed by violence these days? Every time you turn on the news we see images of iraq/afghanistan where there are soldiers holding guns, they are acting 'legimately' becos the government has put them there, but can a child see the distinction? In regards to national service, i think it would help society if young people were instilled with discipline, but as a preventative measure rather than a punishment. Unfortunately it seems a lot of young people are lost, and we need to look to more than puttin them in prison, because in this country life usually means 25years or less and we dont want these people coming back into society in 20 odd years more hardened, distant and angry at the system that put them there. Another young life taken, RIP and best wishes to his family.
arabella, Surrey says...
11:52am Mon 7 Jul 08
Well done . I think our police are the best in the world.
The police are not too blame for the sins of the world! We should get behind them and help. Then may be we could live in a world with out feeling this dreadful gut churning fear. I hate going out alone.. How sad is that , When I travel the world ... I don't feel afraid. How sad that we have this wonderful land, known for its freedom. Yet , I am afrad to walk alone in the day light. PLease lets go back to the days when childhood meant just that!
The police are not too blame for the sins of the world! We should get behind them and help. Then may be we could live in a world with out feeling this dreadful gut churning fear. I hate going out alone.. How sad is that , When I travel the world ... I don't feel afraid. How sad that we have this wonderful land, known for its freedom. Yet , I am afrad to walk alone in the day light. PLease lets go back to the days when childhood meant just that!
LP, London says...
12:21pm Mon 7 Jul 08
"Incidentally the photo used in this article looks like a Police mug shot NOT a bus pass photo!"
Stop trying to stir things. The picture used is a passport photo not a police mugshot.
Police photo's contain more of the shoulders and a different background
Stop trying to stir things. The picture used is a passport photo not a police mugshot.
Police photo's contain more of the shoulders and a different background
DDD, Croydon says...
12:22pm Mon 7 Jul 08
sista.screwz comment about not deserving to die are spot on, but some of these kids are killing by the time they are fourteen,let alone sixteen. So that in itself is enough to make as many enemies as a crack dealer. That's not to say that Shakilus has committed such crimes of course. but the boys posing and carrying guns and knives are much more kill or be killed in that way than kids who try avoid that horrific lifestyle. As for your coment about the police needing to do better, the police are there after the fact, it's the parents who have contact BEFORE the events. Maybe they should be putting more effort and concern into where these kids are and the sort of people they hang around with. If the kids are putting pictures on these websites, why aren't the parents monitoring these sites checking browsing history etc. Intrusive? yes but checking on the type of lifestyle their kids are leading may just tsave their childs life. When do we ever hear of parents informing the police of suspicions about their childrens activity? - Never.
Its the sentencing policy - not the police that are to blame.
Its the sentencing policy - not the police that are to blame.
Concerned, Sutton says...
12:40pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Hmmm send them to Iraq? Not a bad idea...let's see how brave they are with a knife when they have a machine gun pointed at their head.
My heart goes out to the family as this is another loss of a child.
I cannot start to think how scared this child was...before he died.....I don't have children but I don't know if I would want to bring children into this world as it stands....DO THESE CHILDREN NOT KNOW THAT BY STABBING SOMEONE THEY COULD KILL THEM!
Let's hear some real words form the government - tell us 'joe public' what you can really do!?
Show us that you want to help, not say sorry after it's happened!
If the Police can get to together to provide enough officers for the Olympics why can't they join forces and COMMUNICATE about knife crime!
Oh and Boris, I voted for you and hmmm other than banning alcohol on public transport and farting around with congestion charges what else have you done?
Nice office by the way - do you have your own security too?
Maybe you could lend them out to 'joe public' on their innocent way home???
My heart goes out to the family as this is another loss of a child.
I cannot start to think how scared this child was...before he died.....I don't have children but I don't know if I would want to bring children into this world as it stands....DO THESE CHILDREN NOT KNOW THAT BY STABBING SOMEONE THEY COULD KILL THEM!
Let's hear some real words form the government - tell us 'joe public' what you can really do!?
Show us that you want to help, not say sorry after it's happened!
If the Police can get to together to provide enough officers for the Olympics why can't they join forces and COMMUNICATE about knife crime!
Oh and Boris, I voted for you and hmmm other than banning alcohol on public transport and farting around with congestion charges what else have you done?
Nice office by the way - do you have your own security too?
Maybe you could lend them out to 'joe public' on their innocent way home???
DDD, Croydon says...
1:15pm Mon 7 Jul 08
The comments linking violent street crimes culture don't add up. People living a in a gang culture dont sit in to watch the news or read newspapers! How do you tell the rest of your crew "i'm gonna be late out cos i'm watchin newsnight" or "man, that story in the Times about the Kurds is baad!
The start of the solution is very simple. After ten years of teaching children from the earliest age, all about their rights, lets now lets spend the next ten years teaching them about their resposabilities, and the concequences of failing to live up to them.
If you don't set people boundries, they won't stick to the boundries.
The start of the solution is very simple. After ten years of teaching children from the earliest age, all about their rights, lets now lets spend the next ten years teaching them about their resposabilities, and the concequences of failing to live up to them.
If you don't set people boundries, they won't stick to the boundries.
DDD, Croydon says...
1:18pm Mon 7 Jul 08
The comments linking violent street crimes culture don't add up. People living a in a gang culture dont sit in to watch the news or read newspapers! How do you tell the rest of your crew "i'm gonna be late out cos i'm watchin newsnight" or "man, that story in the Times about the Kurds is baad!
The start of the solution is very simple. After ten years of teaching children from the earliest age, all about their rights, lets now lets spend the next ten years teaching them about their resposabilities, and the concequences of failing to live up to them.
If you don't set people boundries, they won't stick to the boundries.
The start of the solution is very simple. After ten years of teaching children from the earliest age, all about their rights, lets now lets spend the next ten years teaching them about their resposabilities, and the concequences of failing to live up to them.
If you don't set people boundries, they won't stick to the boundries.
What?, London says...
2:37pm Mon 7 Jul 08
DDD said: "but the boys posing and carrying guns and knives are much more kill or be killed in that way than kids who try avoid that horrific lifestyle."
Please tell that to Paul Erhahon; Adam Regis and Kodjo Yenga. All children, none of which carried weapons, none of which had anything to do with gang cultrure. All murdered.
Please tell that to Paul Erhahon; Adam Regis and Kodjo Yenga. All children, none of which carried weapons, none of which had anything to do with gang cultrure. All murdered.
Watch With Wonder, The 'don says...
3:18pm Mon 7 Jul 08
So, this boy was 'innocently' walking down Beulah Cresent (no where near his home in Deptford incidentally), just as that character who died outside Lunar House was walking 'innocently' through the Whitgift centre a few months ago?
On Friday we learnt how sweetly innocent Shakilus was - yet the weekend papers presented a different story...
Let me ask all those jumping to this boy's defence, would you have your photograph taken posing with a knife or a gun? If so, why?
There is a chance this boy was completely innocent, there again, he may have provoked the gang to attack (sounds to me like it was a targetted attack and not random). Either way, this boy is a victim of this broken Britain we live in today. Something needs to be done.
I'm not sure charity is the answer as some have suggested. I wonder, if these characters had to deal with World War II in the same way that Britons did some 60 years ago what would the outcome have been? How would these selfish, stupid, ignorant kids react to a similar crisis if it were to arise today? I reckon we'd be in real trouble!
On Friday we learnt how sweetly innocent Shakilus was - yet the weekend papers presented a different story...
Let me ask all those jumping to this boy's defence, would you have your photograph taken posing with a knife or a gun? If so, why?
There is a chance this boy was completely innocent, there again, he may have provoked the gang to attack (sounds to me like it was a targetted attack and not random). Either way, this boy is a victim of this broken Britain we live in today. Something needs to be done.
I'm not sure charity is the answer as some have suggested. I wonder, if these characters had to deal with World War II in the same way that Britons did some 60 years ago what would the outcome have been? How would these selfish, stupid, ignorant kids react to a similar crisis if it were to arise today? I reckon we'd be in real trouble!
blame, croydon says...
4:31pm Mon 7 Jul 08
well if you play with knives thats what you get
I dont think he would have thought twice before stabbing someone looking at his pictures in the sun
I dont think he would have thought twice before stabbing someone looking at his pictures in the sun
me, croydon says...
7:56pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Watch With Wonder said
So, this boy was 'innocently' walking down Beulah Cresent (no where near his home in Deptford incidentally), just as that character who died outside Lunar House was walking 'innocently' through the Whitgift centre a few months ago?
The boy that was stabbed in the Whitgift centre did not die!
Shakilus was in Beulah Crescent because he had arranged to meet a girl, it now appears he was 'set-up' by her. When he arrived to meet her, the others were waiting to attack him
Ok he apparently was no angel, boys being in gangs is something that has happened since the beginning of time, thats what boys do.
Posing with a weapon makes them look tough, or so they think, the weapon may not be theirs and they may not intend to use it.
So, this boy was 'innocently' walking down Beulah Cresent (no where near his home in Deptford incidentally), just as that character who died outside Lunar House was walking 'innocently' through the Whitgift centre a few months ago?
The boy that was stabbed in the Whitgift centre did not die!
Shakilus was in Beulah Crescent because he had arranged to meet a girl, it now appears he was 'set-up' by her. When he arrived to meet her, the others were waiting to attack him
Ok he apparently was no angel, boys being in gangs is something that has happened since the beginning of time, thats what boys do.
Posing with a weapon makes them look tough, or so they think, the weapon may not be theirs and they may not intend to use it.
ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
8:32pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Kes wrote:For arresting the people who attacked this boy.
ANNE GILES wrote: Well done, police.For what?
Kes, Upper Norwood says...
9:34pm Mon 7 Jul 08
ANNE GILES wrote:I thought there was a trial to happen before such a broad statement. Even our country hasn't sunk yet to such depths.
Kes wrote:For arresting the people who attacked this boy.ANNE GILES wrote: Well done, police.For what?
Kes, Upper Norwood says...
9:39pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Jock wrote:If those who cannot spell were disqualified from holding a job half the population would be unemployed. Even 'Uni' graduates can't spell these days. Perhaps they are "fools" as well?
jim wrote: Aaah how sweet. A bit of Africa comes to CroydenJim. You FOOL. You cannot even spell "Croydon" correctly. It shows us all the level of your mentality. Did your nurse turn on the PC for you? Or are you reminding us all that the borough of Dullsville is alive, and kicking? The latter wins, I think.
Bob Peel, Croydon says...
8:31am Tue 8 Jul 08
Easy way to stop this madness:
1. Criminalise underage sex,
2. Stop all benefits to single mothers
3. Corporal punishment in schools.
4. Borstal Training young for offenders.
5. Bring back the long drop for murderers - of any age.
1. Criminalise underage sex,
2. Stop all benefits to single mothers
3. Corporal punishment in schools.
4. Borstal Training young for offenders.
5. Bring back the long drop for murderers - of any age.
Trasie, Mitcham says...
9:20am Tue 8 Jul 08
Bob Peel, I think all of the above is extremely harsh. Your points:
1 Have you caught someone having underage sex. (HOw does that go to Knife Crime)
2 There are alot of Single mothers out there because the fathers aren't man enough to do the job
3 What good does corporal punishment do. In many reports some of kids are abused at home why would they go to school to be abused there.
4 As someone else said many innocent people were wrongly hanged which is why it was abolished.
1 Have you caught someone having underage sex. (HOw does that go to Knife Crime)
2 There are alot of Single mothers out there because the fathers aren't man enough to do the job
3 What good does corporal punishment do. In many reports some of kids are abused at home why would they go to school to be abused there.
4 As someone else said many innocent people were wrongly hanged which is why it was abolished.
DDD, Croydon says...
9:25am Tue 8 Jul 08
What?, with respect, you have completely missed my point. Please read my comment again and you will see what I mean. I said kill OR be killed". The victims you mentioned may not be part of that lifestyle, but the boys who Killed them ARE part of it,and did carry weapons. It is those people that I am refering to,and was not insinuating that both parties are guilty at all.
Your comment highlights the fact that as a youngster, If you are not part of the gang culture, you are highly likely to be the victim of it. I say double the sentences for gang related crime and teach them about responsability. Do this by making them earn their keep by serving their time out on the moors in camps, working plots to grow their own food,cook it - if you screw it up, you go without, if you can't make a fire you freeze etc. Keep them tagged, after all they won't stay too far - where could they go!. If they do stray, double the sentence again. would anyone want to do any time in those conditions, let alone a double sentence.
Silly me - I forgot about their human rights- just as they did with their victims.
Your comment highlights the fact that as a youngster, If you are not part of the gang culture, you are highly likely to be the victim of it. I say double the sentences for gang related crime and teach them about responsability. Do this by making them earn their keep by serving their time out on the moors in camps, working plots to grow their own food,cook it - if you screw it up, you go without, if you can't make a fire you freeze etc. Keep them tagged, after all they won't stay too far - where could they go!. If they do stray, double the sentence again. would anyone want to do any time in those conditions, let alone a double sentence.
Silly me - I forgot about their human rights- just as they did with their victims.
C, SW London says...
4:22pm Tue 8 Jul 08
Even if the kid was the biggest gangster in London, murder is murder. He didnt deserve that.
String them up I say.
String them up I say.
A, Croydon says...
6:44pm Tue 8 Jul 08
Bob Peel.
Your comment on no benefits for single mothers,typical blame the single mum, not the fathers who just walk out on the families and they can claim unemployment benefit, they are the ones who shouldnt get benefit, they should be out working to support these kids, and not going around breeding and shurking responsibilities, this is part of the reason why so many kids going wild because they have no decent role model to look up too. May this young man rest in peace and his family stay strong.
Your comment on no benefits for single mothers,typical blame the single mum, not the fathers who just walk out on the families and they can claim unemployment benefit, they are the ones who shouldnt get benefit, they should be out working to support these kids, and not going around breeding and shurking responsibilities, this is part of the reason why so many kids going wild because they have no decent role model to look up too. May this young man rest in peace and his family stay strong.
D from America, Arizona says...
8:46pm Tue 8 Jul 08
When are we going to stop expecting the government, the UK & USA, to raise our children instead of the parents. If the parents would quit pushing them out so they can get more welfare and start taking responsiblility for their brats then maybe these thug children could learn morals instead of following in their lazy parents footsteps. The government (or I) did not make your babies, YOU take responsibility for your own hoodlums, black and white and every other color for that matter.
Sarah, Croydon says...
11:02pm Tue 8 Jul 08
If these scum bags want to act big using and carrying knives and think they are big boys then let the lot of them go out to Iraq and fight like our innocent soilders, who dont deserve to get injured or killed!!!
woodie, kent says...
6:55am Wed 9 Jul 08
AS THEY SAY WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND
Bob Peel, Croydon says...
9:56am Wed 9 Jul 08
Trasie and A, I note your points but you need to read deeper into what I have written.
If 14/15yo girls are stopped having babies then the 11/12/13yo scum that tramps our streets whilst their 25/26/27 yo mums who care not for their offspring go out clubbing/bonking/sho
plifting or whatever will cease to exist.
Thet they have allowed themselves to be used by a male for sex is not good and neither is the fact the male has just fired his lot and walked away. That practice needs to be stopped too.
Because these unwanted babies grow up without a male presence there is no discipline, no respect. That is where corporal punishment comes into the matter. Short, sharp shock and that is where Borstal training comes into it.
For murder and rape definately the long drop (hangman's noose).
If you find my remarks a little strong that's tough; I stand by what I state.
If 14/15yo girls are stopped having babies then the 11/12/13yo scum that tramps our streets whilst their 25/26/27 yo mums who care not for their offspring go out clubbing/bonking/sho
plifting or whatever will cease to exist.
Thet they have allowed themselves to be used by a male for sex is not good and neither is the fact the male has just fired his lot and walked away. That practice needs to be stopped too.
Because these unwanted babies grow up without a male presence there is no discipline, no respect. That is where corporal punishment comes into the matter. Short, sharp shock and that is where Borstal training comes into it.
For murder and rape definately the long drop (hangman's noose).
If you find my remarks a little strong that's tough; I stand by what I state.
woodie, Kent says...
7:47am Thu 10 Jul 08
Re Dave of Croydon
Arresting someone is one thing,lets see if anyone gets charge or will they be let free pending further police enquiries as usually happens Posted on Sunday 6th July
YOU ARE NOW EATING YOUR WORDS
NOW LETS ALL GET BEHIND CROYDON POLICE
Don't you all think the police are a fed up with putting up with the scum people as much as we are. When the police are not at work they have to live and put up with scum like this just the same as we do.
ROCK ON CROYDON POLICE
Arresting someone is one thing,lets see if anyone gets charge or will they be let free pending further police enquiries as usually happens Posted on Sunday 6th July
YOU ARE NOW EATING YOUR WORDS
NOW LETS ALL GET BEHIND CROYDON POLICE
Don't you all think the police are a fed up with putting up with the scum people as much as we are. When the police are not at work they have to live and put up with scum like this just the same as we do.
ROCK ON CROYDON POLICE
C, SW London says...
10:16am Thu 10 Jul 08
Turn your back on anger
Please put away your knife
This was someones baby
This was someones life
Use words to voice your discontent
And stop holding a grudge
Next time another teen is killed
It could be someone YOU loved
We are only human
And we'll all make mistakes
Who are you to say who lives?
And say who's life to take?
Everytime you leave your home
Leave your knife behind
Choose a better life for yourself
Contentment you will find.
Please put away your knife
This was someones baby
This was someones life
Use words to voice your discontent
And stop holding a grudge
Next time another teen is killed
It could be someone YOU loved
We are only human
And we'll all make mistakes
Who are you to say who lives?
And say who's life to take?
Everytime you leave your home
Leave your knife behind
Choose a better life for yourself
Contentment you will find.
A, Thornton Heath says...
1:15pm Thu 10 Jul 08
As I cant yet comment on the most recent article about this I thought I would add my comment here. If you look at the following web page - www.croydon.gov.uk/c
ontent/departments/5
70770/570872/714464/
629340/bulletinscaug
07.pdf (alternativley go to google and put in Tyrell Ellis) scroll down to page 5 and you can see what this person is all about. (assuming it is the same person but the age fits)
ontent/departments/5
70770/570872/714464/
629340/bulletinscaug
07.pdf (alternativley go to google and put in Tyrell Ellis) scroll down to page 5 and you can see what this person is all about. (assuming it is the same person but the age fits)
x, Thornton Heath says...
5:28pm Thu 10 Jul 08
One of the persons who has now been charged, Tyrell Ellis aged 18, appears to have an ASBO banning him from Thornton Heath. Croydon Council named Tyrell Ellis (then aged 17) as a prominent trouble maker with known gang associations (see Croydon Council's press release of 28 August 2007 at their website: www.croydon.gov.uk/d
emocracy/councilnews
/3033).
How come, allegedly, he can just ignore this and now be charged with murder now in Thornton Heath. If this is the case, then the failure of an ASBO for a known gang member now has a death toll attached to it. ASBOs don't work - Tyrell should have been in jail for his bahaviour already so he wouldn't (allegedly) be able to commit further crimes.
emocracy/councilnews
/3033).
How come, allegedly, he can just ignore this and now be charged with murder now in Thornton Heath. If this is the case, then the failure of an ASBO for a known gang member now has a death toll attached to it. ASBOs don't work - Tyrell should have been in jail for his bahaviour already so he wouldn't (allegedly) be able to commit further crimes.
Bob Peel, Croydon says...
9:23am Fri 11 Jul 08
Well stated 'x'. The other factor concerning the ASBO banning Ellis from entering Tho Heath is laughable - Ellis lives in Springfield Road, a Thornton Heath address.
If the ASBO was policed correctly they would work 100%. Unfortunately the ASBO is a typical example of this Government's short sightedness and yet another example of a good idea gone to ruination.
If the ASBO was policed correctly they would work 100%. Unfortunately the ASBO is a typical example of this Government's short sightedness and yet another example of a good idea gone to ruination.
PK, London says...
10:44am Fri 11 Jul 08
x wrote:Well said. I read the same article and his ASBO was supposed to ban him from Thornton Heath.
One of the persons who has now been charged, Tyrell Ellis aged 18, appears to have an ASBO banning him from Thornton Heath. Croydon Council named Tyrell Ellis (then aged 17) as a prominent trouble maker with known gang associations (see Croydon Council's press release of 28 August 2007 at their website: www.croydon.gov.uk/d emocracy/councilnews /3033). How come, allegedly, he can just ignore this and now be charged with murder now in Thornton Heath. If this is the case, then the failure of an ASBO for a known gang member now has a death toll attached to it. ASBOs don't work - Tyrell should have been in jail for his bahaviour already so he wouldn't (allegedly) be able to commit further crimes.
I agree ASBO's obviously don't work. He's blatantly ignored it and now someone has lost their life because he was allowed to roam the streets unchecked with a violent nature and gang affliations.
Madness
y, Croydon says...
11:04am Fri 11 Jul 08
Bob Peel wrote:What has stopping benefits to single mothers got to do with anything.
Easy way to stop this madness: 1. Criminalise underage sex, 2. Stop all benefits to single mothers 3. Corporal punishment in schools. 4. Borstal Training young for offenders. 5. Bring back the long drop for murderers - of any age.
Unfortunately, I am a single mother with 3 boys, that is not always done by choice. I am in a situation where I need to work to support my own but want to be home to know where my children are. I have a son due to start secondary school this year and fear that if im working he will have to travel through this borough on his own to and from school and have no one home to greet and and know what he is doing.
Maybe the government should look into providing afterschool clubs for 11-16 year olds on their school site that are compulsory for parents that work. If i knew that my children could stay at school until i collect them after work that would ease a lot of my worries
A, Thornton Heath says...
1:20pm Fri 11 Jul 08
The ban (asbo) was just the High Street area I believe, not surrounding areas?
17 yr old female, Croydon says...
10:54pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Posted by: Bob Peel, Croydon on 8:31am Tue 8 Jul 08
Easy way to stop this madness: 1. Criminalise underage sex, 2. Stop all benefits to single mothers 3. Corporal punishment in schools. 4. Borstal Training young for offenders. 5. Bring back the long drop for murderers - of any age.
Easy way to stop this madness:
1. Criminalise underage sex,
2. Stop all benefits to single mothers
3. Corporal punishment in schools.
4. Borstal Training young for offenders.
5. Bring back the long drop for murderers - of any age.
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This is the most ludacris suggestion i have ever seen. i was raised by a young single mother and i have never been pregnant. My single mother did an amazing job and as soon as i started school she wen to college so she could get a job. I don't think it would have helped us if benefits were stopped. Youths often try to act like their roll models and if their boys with no father figure then they look to older boys or even rappers who talk about gangs and violence yet often live lives far from the violence with their multi-million record deals and houses in the suberbs. who's to blame? everybody i think it's just the way society has developed. I hate when people try to suggest that back in the old days everything was fine maybe it was but i wasn't there and the youth of today aren't going to try and mirror the past also in the old days there wasn't such prominant media. and why in the world would you bring bach corparol punishment in school the kids would wanna get revenge they would turn around and stab the teacher! certain types of people suggest the most stupid things that ain't even an option! I certainly think a life for a life is not the answer. As that would mean the answer to murder is murder what kind of an example is that? Why follow America?! I don't think youths should be sent to the army either, as all the countries UK invades are innocent and so i wouldn't even call it fighting for our country because the war has nothing to do with our country. If you think it's better for the innocent people of iraq to be killed rather than a youth in england then your a hypocrite all humans are equal. Teenagers need more love. The newspapers only printed the photo of him with the knife to sell more papers and get more money, they don't care! RIP Shakilus Townsend
Easy way to stop this madness: 1. Criminalise underage sex, 2. Stop all benefits to single mothers 3. Corporal punishment in schools. 4. Borstal Training young for offenders. 5. Bring back the long drop for murderers - of any age.
Easy way to stop this madness:
1. Criminalise underage sex,
2. Stop all benefits to single mothers
3. Corporal punishment in schools.
4. Borstal Training young for offenders.
5. Bring back the long drop for murderers - of any age.
Quote | Report this post
This is the most ludacris suggestion i have ever seen. i was raised by a young single mother and i have never been pregnant. My single mother did an amazing job and as soon as i started school she wen to college so she could get a job. I don't think it would have helped us if benefits were stopped. Youths often try to act like their roll models and if their boys with no father figure then they look to older boys or even rappers who talk about gangs and violence yet often live lives far from the violence with their multi-million record deals and houses in the suberbs. who's to blame? everybody i think it's just the way society has developed. I hate when people try to suggest that back in the old days everything was fine maybe it was but i wasn't there and the youth of today aren't going to try and mirror the past also in the old days there wasn't such prominant media. and why in the world would you bring bach corparol punishment in school the kids would wanna get revenge they would turn around and stab the teacher! certain types of people suggest the most stupid things that ain't even an option! I certainly think a life for a life is not the answer. As that would mean the answer to murder is murder what kind of an example is that? Why follow America?! I don't think youths should be sent to the army either, as all the countries UK invades are innocent and so i wouldn't even call it fighting for our country because the war has nothing to do with our country. If you think it's better for the innocent people of iraq to be killed rather than a youth in england then your a hypocrite all humans are equal. Teenagers need more love. The newspapers only printed the photo of him with the knife to sell more papers and get more money, they don't care! RIP Shakilus Townsend
Bob peel, Croydon says...
7:01am Tue 15 Jul 08
"Unfortunately, I am a single mother with 3 boys, that is not always done by choice ."
With respect 'y' I doubt the Holy Ghost is involved here. Unless a female is forced they have a choice.
Contraception is on way to avoid being a single parent, marriage is another.
Not all single mothers bring up scummy kids but you'll doubtless be aware that amny do.
With respect 'y' I doubt the Holy Ghost is involved here. Unless a female is forced they have a choice.
Contraception is on way to avoid being a single parent, marriage is another.
Not all single mothers bring up scummy kids but you'll doubtless be aware that amny do.
wiseman, UK says...
11:42pm Fri 18 Jul 08
When it comes to photos of people in newspapers, you can't always believe what you see. For instance the photo that suggest that he is holding a gun, in my opinion, it's not him. It's a blurred picture and it's cropped meaning the papers have something to hide. Also the head shape does not resemble any of the other photos that have been shown. In regards to the photo where it suggest he's holding a knife, I find this photo odd too. The reason is because just like the other photo that I mentioned, this one has also been cropped, again suggesting that the newspapers and other medias are twisting the story to suit their report. Why don't they show a fuller picture so we can see what's really happening. I'm quite suspicious about the hand holding the knife, it doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the picture. To me it looks like Shakilus has both his hands in his coat pocket. If it turns out that the original picture shows him holding a
woodie, Kent says...
1:28pm Sun 6 Jul 08
WELL DONE CROYDON BOROUGH POLICE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK