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Noisy smokers cause sleepless nights
Noisy smokers are causing sleepless nights for Wimbledon residents living close to the town centre pubs.
Residents claim they are putting up with a constant stream of noise throughout the evening as smokers spend the majority of their time outside.
Weekends are proving particularly troublesome for residents who say that crowds of up to 50 smokers regularly congregate outside.
Resident Tony Holloway, who lives close to The Wibbas Down Inn in Gladstone Road, said the noise has become "unbearable".
"The other night I was lying in bed and I actually heard two guys discussing which drinks they were going to order from the bar while they smoked outside," he said.
Locals have complained that management at the pub are making it "too comfortable" for those smoking outside.
Jackie Jones, who has lived opposite the Wibbas Down Inn for five years, said: "I looked out of my window the other morning and saw that our neighbours car had been used as a picnic table.
| “The smokers from the pub had obviously decided to come over and use our parking area as an extension of their smoking area.” | | Jackie Jones |
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"The smokers from the pub had obviously decided to come over and use our parking area as an extension of their smoking area."
A spokesman for Wimbledon police said the force has received no notable increase in complaints since the ban was introduced last summer and said officers cannot stop people from chatting outside pubs.
However some residents said they dare not report disruptive smokers for fear of reprisal.
Team Leader at the Wibbas Down Inn, Will Cawper, said the pub is working with the council to limit the noise for residents with tables and chairs taken away by 10pm to discourage drinkers from staying outside too long.
And the owner of Suburban Bar in Hartfield Road, Tony Scott, said acoustic doors at the back of the pub ensure noise does not escape.
"We also have an outdoor area which we close by 9pm to ensure residents do not have to put up with any unnecessary noise," he said.
12:38pm Thursday 20th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: halle, cheam on 4:23pm Thu 20 Mar 08
whatever next? why do some people enjoy moaning about everything? so what if they stand outside? its a free world, people can stand where they like - I fully understand that smoking is bad for you, but surely its up to each individual and they have already lost the right to smoke inside! these people are just being padantic for no reason - stop being so stupid, this is almost as ridiculous as the story a few months back about the lady who closed her bin lid too loudly - come on people stop being so sensitive to everything!
By the way, im not a smoker
whatever next? why do some people enjoy moaning about everything? so what if they stand outside? its a free world, people can stand where they like - I fully understand that smoking is bad for you, but surely its up to each individual and they have already lost the right to smoke inside! these people are just being padantic for no reason - stop being so stupid, this is almost as ridiculous as the story a few months back about the lady who closed her bin lid too loudly - come on people stop being so sensitive to everything!
By the way, im not a smoker
Posted by: mandyv, cambs on 9:55pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Thank you Halle.
The smokers were put outside because of lies and propaganda - this ban was NOT wanted by the majority.
Warning: Anti-tobacco activism may be hazardous to epidemiologic science
http://www.epi-persp
ectives.com/content/
4/1/13
8th August 2006 the HSE in the document OC 255/16 Paragraph 14
" HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseases".
8th August 2006 the HSE in the document OC 255/16 Paragraph 14
" HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseases".
We need to get this ban amended to include ventilation,
freedom2choose.info -- for tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike
Please show your support, donations, large or small, toward our fighting fund,
become a member, or join the forums. Stand up and be counted.
“Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred”
Jacques Barzun
http://petitions.pm.
gov.uk/smokinglicens
es/ ends in October 2008
These could do with some support please,
http://www.innthecol
d.com 1000 Pubs in 90 days, can you help with this one?
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=Bn6zye0nh8
w
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=mN-xDlsNXI
I Hamish Howitt Publican
http://cleanairquali
ty.blogspot.com/
Air quality testing by Johns Hopkins University, the American Cancer Society, a Minnesota Environmental Health Department, and various researchers whose testing and report was peer reviewed and published in the esteemed British Medical Journal......prove that secondhand smoke is 2.6 - 25,000 times SAFER than occupational (OSHA) workplace regulations:
Thank you Halle.
The smokers were put outside because of lies and propaganda - this ban was NOT wanted by the majority.
Warning: Anti-tobacco activism may be hazardous to epidemiologic science
http://www.epi-persp
ectives.com/content/
4/1/13
8th August 2006 the HSE in the document OC 255/16 Paragraph 14
" HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseases".
8th August 2006 the HSE in the document OC 255/16 Paragraph 14
" HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseases".
We need to get this ban amended to include ventilation,
freedom2choose.info -- for tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike
Please show your support, donations, large or small, toward our fighting fund,
become a member, or join the forums. Stand up and be counted.
“Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred”
Jacques Barzun
http://petitions.pm.
gov.uk/smokinglicens
es/ ends in October 2008
These could do with some support please,
http://www.innthecol
d.com 1000 Pubs in 90 days, can you help with this one?
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=Bn6zye0nh8
w
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=mN-xDlsNXI
I Hamish Howitt Publican
http://cleanairquali
ty.blogspot.com/
Air quality testing by Johns Hopkins University, the American Cancer Society, a Minnesota Environmental Health Department, and various researchers whose testing and report was peer reviewed and published in the esteemed British Medical Journal......prove that secondhand smoke is 2.6 - 25,000 times SAFER than occupational (OSHA) workplace regulations:
Posted by: Helen, Wigan on 10:26pm Thu 20 Mar 08
You don't like it, I don't think the smokers like it either. Join them and campaign to get smoking back indoors in a ventilated smoking room - all problems solved. Also stop believing the ridiculous lies and propoganda that led to this stupid ban in the first place. It is costing this country dearly and it will cost votes at the next election
You don't like it, I don't think the smokers like it either. Join them and campaign to get smoking back indoors in a ventilated smoking room - all problems solved. Also stop believing the ridiculous lies and propoganda that led to this stupid ban in the first place. It is costing this country dearly and it will cost votes at the next election
Posted by: c may, biggin hill on 2:04am Fri 21 Mar 08
rubbish its bloody lovley to have a drink and not to have to breathe in second hand smoke and not walk out of a pub smelling of stale tobbaco
rubbish its bloody lovley to have a drink and not to have to breathe in second hand smoke and not walk out of a pub smelling of stale tobbaco
Posted by: Bill C, UK on 9:35am Fri 21 Mar 08
#C May, Biggin Hill
If the law is amended to allow certain estalishments to be smoking, then you would not be breathing in smoke or your clothes smelling of smoke as you will have the choice to go elsewhere. When it all boils down to it, it appears this law was bought-in due to a SMELL - unbelievable.
Passive smoking, SHS or ETS (whatever) does NOT have a detrimental effect on other non-smokers health - it is the biggest lie dreamed up over the last three decades to justify this ban. Amend the act now, to allow CHOICE.
Back to the article, if the smokers are allowed back into the pub (where they belong), it would solve any problems with noise pollution. Furthermore, some of these people outside will also be non-smokers.
#C May, Biggin Hill
If the law is amended to allow certain estalishments to be smoking, then you would not be breathing in smoke or your clothes smelling of smoke as you will have the choice to go elsewhere. When it all boils down to it, it appears this law was bought-in due to a SMELL - unbelievable.
Passive smoking, SHS or ETS (whatever) does NOT have a detrimental effect on other non-smokers health - it is the biggest lie dreamed up over the last three decades to justify this ban. Amend the act now, to allow CHOICE.
Back to the article, if the smokers are allowed back into the pub (where they belong), it would solve any problems with noise pollution. Furthermore, some of these people outside will also be non-smokers.
Posted by: DaveA, London on 1:23pm Fri 21 Mar 08
The people whining about the noise are no doubt the control freaks who wanted the smoking ban in the first place. Can you have your cake and eat it?
The people whining about the noise are no doubt the control freaks who wanted the smoking ban in the first place. Can you have your cake and eat it?
Posted by: c may, biggin hill on 2:31pm Fri 21 Mar 08
sorry never ever do i hope smoking is allowed in pubs and clubs again smokers do have a choice they can stand outside or in the places provided so we can enjoy a pint in a non smokey enviroment
sorry never ever do i hope smoking is allowed in pubs and clubs again smokers do have a choice they can stand outside or in the places provided so we can enjoy a pint in a non smokey enviroment
Posted by: DaveA, London on 3:12pm Fri 21 Mar 08
C May: I take it you are more than happy to put up with any raised volumes in noise then. Anything else and you are a bigot. Also what gives you the right to dictate what goes on in private property? What dark secrets do you have the state should outlaw when your curtains are closed?
C May: I take it you are more than happy to put up with any raised volumes in noise then. Anything else and you are a bigot. Also what gives you the right to dictate what goes on in private property? What dark secrets do you have the state should outlaw when your curtains are closed?
Posted by: Bill C, UK on 5:19pm Fri 21 Mar 08
C May, Biggin Hill
Please take some time and read what I was actually proposing.
You will be no where near a smoking pub, as you will have the choice of not ever having to go in one.
I hope this has clarified the point I was making, or do you not like the fact that smokers may have a choice, especially as far away from your ilk.
C May, Biggin Hill
Please take some time and read what I was actually proposing.
You will be no where near a smoking pub, as you will have the choice of not ever having to go in one.
I hope this has clarified the point I was making, or do you not like the fact that smokers may have a choice, especially as far away from your ilk.
Posted by: c may, biggin hill on 9:50am Sat 22 Mar 08
smoke free clubs and pubs love it after a lifetime of breathing in other peoples smoke its law now brilliantand its spreading to other countries as well GOOD
smoke free clubs and pubs love it after a lifetime of breathing in other peoples smoke its law now brilliantand its spreading to other countries as well GOOD
Posted by: ric, kingston on 9:12pm Sun 23 Mar 08
oh look people from wimbledon are moaning again.
wasn't there a story last week about noise from pub goers.
i have an idea. move out of a busy london town.
prats.
oh look people from wimbledon are moaning again.
wasn't there a story last week about noise from pub goers.
i have an idea. move out of a busy london town.
prats.
Posted by: Mr Fumee, Round the back 'aving a crafty one on 12:29pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]c may[/bold] wrote:
smoke free clubs and pubs love it after a lifetime of breathing in other peoples smoke its law now brilliantand its spreading to other countries as well GOOD[/quote] Which other countries would they be? Italy, Australia, America, New Zealand, Ireland, Scotland and Wales all brought in the smoking ban before England, any credibility you had has now disappeared in a puff of smoke (not that you had much with your poor grammar, punctuation and spelling).
c may wrote:
smoke free clubs and pubs love it after a lifetime of breathing in other peoples smoke its law now brilliantand its spreading to other countries as well GOOD
Which other countries would they be? Italy, Australia, America, New Zealand, Ireland, Scotland and Wales all brought in the smoking ban before England, any credibility you had has now disappeared in a puff of smoke (not that you had much with your poor grammar, punctuation and spelling).
Posted by: Mr Fumee, Round the back 'aving a crafty one on 12:29pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]c may[/bold] wrote:
smoke free clubs and pubs love it after a lifetime of breathing in other peoples smoke its law now brilliantand its spreading to other countries as well GOOD[/quote] Which other countries would they be? Italy, Australia, America, New Zealand, Ireland, Scotland and Wales all brought in the smoking ban before England, any credibility you had has now disappeared in a puff of smoke (not that you had much with your poor grammar, punctuation and spelling).
c may wrote:
smoke free clubs and pubs love it after a lifetime of breathing in other peoples smoke its law now brilliantand its spreading to other countries as well GOOD
Which other countries would they be? Italy, Australia, America, New Zealand, Ireland, Scotland and Wales all brought in the smoking ban before England, any credibility you had has now disappeared in a puff of smoke (not that you had much with your poor grammar, punctuation and spelling).
Posted by: c may, biggin hill on 7:00pm Tue 25 Mar 08
france has followed b isles actually fumee lol my poor spelling hasnt stopped me having house paid for at 56 and a nice few thousand in the bank
france has followed b isles actually fumee lol my poor spelling hasnt stopped me having house paid for at 56 and a nice few thousand in the bank
Posted by: H Mycroft, Wimbledon on 1:02pm Fri 28 Mar 08
This is riduculous. The residents of Wimbledon are always complaining about the noise and presence of drunken people generated by pubs, which are natural by-products of living in an inner urban area with vibrant nightlife. It's NIMBYism of the highest and most idiotic degree! If you cannot tolerate seeing or hearing drunk people, don't live in an area of South West London with a high concentration of pubs.
This is especially true in this presented case of smoking. There is no alternative for smokers but to go outside the pubs, and rather than blame the government for bringing in draconian legislation to curtail the rights of the individual they complain that pubs make it "too comfortable" for their clients to smoke. How dare they make demands on how pub-owners treat their customers? What kind of shower of warped, inbred mutants are these people?
This is riduculous. The residents of Wimbledon are always complaining about the noise and presence of drunken people generated by pubs, which are natural by-products of living in an inner urban area with vibrant nightlife. It's NIMBYism of the highest and most idiotic degree! If you cannot tolerate seeing or hearing drunk people, don't live in an area of South West London with a high concentration of pubs.
This is especially true in this presented case of smoking. There is no alternative for smokers but to go outside the pubs, and rather than blame the government for bringing in draconian legislation to curtail the rights of the individual they complain that pubs make it "too comfortable" for their clients to smoke. How dare they make demands on how pub-owners treat their customers? What kind of shower of warped, inbred mutants are these people?
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