Does anyone still take the Met Police's crime statistics seriously?
I only ask because your front page (Borough is safer', Croydon Guardian, April 23) seemed to suggest that there is nothing to worry about in Croydon.
Croydon Borough Commander Mark Gore might not like talking to journalists but I would like to hear him explain how exactly Croydon is getting safer.
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Crime may be falling in lots of areas, helping to bring about a general reduction, but there are still several examples of worryingly graphic
violence which make the law-abiding majority live in fear.
When and how are Mr Gore and his colleagues going to come up with a plan to stop this?
It is so prevalent and happens so much.
I cannot imagine that it is a problem that is going to go away quickly.
Posted by: Bob Peel, Croydon on 11:14am Mon 12 May 08
[italic]Does anyone still take the Met Police's crime statistics seriously?[/italic]
They certainly do; it's Police Officers mainly of the rank of Inspector and above.
They take much interest in it so they can enhance their own careers by manipulating the stats to show how well they have done whilst young men are busy disemboweling someone elses' child in a high street near you.
Does anyone still take the Met Police's crime statistics seriously?
They certainly do; it's Police Officers mainly of the rank of Inspector and above.
They take much interest in it so they can enhance their own careers by manipulating the stats to show how well they have done whilst young men are busy disemboweling someone elses' child in a high street near you.
Posted by: ANNE GILES, SELSDON on 5:19pm Sat 17 May 08
Bob - not you again!! Just because you never got promoted is no reason to continually invent stories about senior officers which are simply not true. You are just feeling bitter. But promotion depends on a lot of things and you are a very racially prejudiced person - you hate foreigners - you have said this many times. No-one in their right minds would have allowed someone with your prejudices to get into a higher position. Crime has fallen. I travel around as much as I used to and I see less things to report. Officers in Selsdon have told me that things have quietened down. I have witnessed it myself. I have seen less in the town centre and at Fairfield.
Bob - not you again!! Just because you never got promoted is no reason to continually invent stories about senior officers which are simply not true. You are just feeling bitter. But promotion depends on a lot of things and you are a very racially prejudiced person - you hate foreigners - you have said this many times. No-one in their right minds would have allowed someone with your prejudices to get into a higher position. Crime has fallen. I travel around as much as I used to and I see less things to report. Officers in Selsdon have told me that things have quietened down. I have witnessed it myself. I have seen less in the town centre and at Fairfield.
Posted by: ANNE GILES, SELSDON on 9:25pm Sat 17 May 08
Also, Bob - there is a story about a woman who had to be coaxed down at one of our hotels when she was wanting to jump off and you commented that she was attention seeking and police helping her was a waste of time. Do you know what it is like to feel suicidal? That poor woman needed help and police provided it. Another reason for your never having been promoted - you have no compassion for people who need help. Our senior officers in Croydon are kind, compassionate people. Therefore they deserve to be in the positions they are in.
Also, Bob - there is a story about a woman who had to be coaxed down at one of our hotels when she was wanting to jump off and you commented that she was attention seeking and police helping her was a waste of time. Do you know what it is like to feel suicidal? That poor woman needed help and police provided it. Another reason for your never having been promoted - you have no compassion for people who need help. Our senior officers in Croydon are kind, compassionate people. Therefore they deserve to be in the positions they are in.
Posted by: Bob Peel, Croydon on 11:46pm Sat 17 May 08
Anne, I am not a racist nor do I hate all foreigners.
If you were privy to my personal circumstances you would know that to be true - but it is very wrong of you to accuse me in this manner.
I abhore this political correctness and I call a spade a spade - no fancy words with me; I tell it as it is.
No promotion - how do you know?
When I joined you achieved promotion by examination and police oriented work.
Now you join up with a 2.1 degree in Peruvian Needle Stitch and you are immediately on the
fast track if desired.
Think you owe me an apology for the racist slur........
Anne, I am not a racist nor do I hate all foreigners.
If you were privy to my personal circumstances you would know that to be true - but it is very wrong of you to accuse me in this manner.
I abhore this political correctness and I call a spade a spade - no fancy words with me; I tell it as it is.
No promotion - how do you know?
When I joined you achieved promotion by examination and police oriented work.
Now you join up with a 2.1 degree in Peruvian Needle Stitch and you are immediately on the
fast track if desired.
Think you owe me an apology for the racist slur........
Posted by: Bob Peel, Croydon on 12:02am Sun 18 May 08
How many suicidal bints have you ever dealt with Anne?
People who [italic]actually[/italic]
want to do it get on with it and don't bore the emergency services.
The way you are slating me if you weren't so wrong I'd start worrying that you have seen inside my personal file or were privy to my AQR's whilst I was serving.
I wonder when the last time was you leant in through the roof of a vehicle involved in a road accident to comfort a woman whose dead colleague was sitting next to her with his head on the back seat?
Or when did you last have to give the death message, 'Hello, are you widow Smith?'
I'd fancy you can state 'never' to both events - yet you see fit to question someone else's perception of the experience of life.
By the way I have not 'been making up stories' about senior officers.
I have given my observations, many already echo through different police services today because the non-graduan police officer doesn't have much chance of getting past sgt or, on the odd occasion, insp.
It's a pity because the leadership now is not about fighting crime, its about meeting targets on *this weeks selected special crime* be it homophobia, domestic violence, or whatever and providing an auditable paper trail that protects the career of the senior officer responsible.
That's not making up stories about senior officers Anne - it's stating what a good amount of rank and file coppers already know.
How many suicidal bints have you ever dealt with Anne?
People who actually
want to do it get on with it and don't bore the emergency services.
The way you are slating me if you weren't so wrong I'd start worrying that you have seen inside my personal file or were privy to my AQR's whilst I was serving.
I wonder when the last time was you leant in through the roof of a vehicle involved in a road accident to comfort a woman whose dead colleague was sitting next to her with his head on the back seat?
Or when did you last have to give the death message, 'Hello, are you widow Smith?'
I'd fancy you can state 'never' to both events - yet you see fit to question someone else's perception of the experience of life.
By the way I have not 'been making up stories' about senior officers.
I have given my observations, many already echo through different police services today because the non-graduan police officer doesn't have much chance of getting past sgt or, on the odd occasion, insp.
It's a pity because the leadership now is not about fighting crime, its about meeting targets on *this weeks selected special crime* be it homophobia, domestic violence, or whatever and providing an auditable paper trail that protects the career of the senior officer responsible.
That's not making up stories about senior officers Anne - it's stating what a good amount of rank and file coppers already know.
Posted by: ANNE GILES, SELSDON on 9:27am Sun 18 May 08
I apologise if what I said sounded insulting, but you have from time to time made insulting comments about people who are not white English living in Croydon, when everyone has a right to live here. Most of the rank and file coppers I speak to are very happy here in Croydon and they all say what an approachable fellow Mark Gore is. I have never heard anyone say anything against any senior officers at all, except for one Inspector, when they had all been used to his predecessor, although they seem to have changed their minds now. You are also wrong about my not having to deal with RTAs - I had to hold a woman who had blood gushing out of her eyes, nose and ears years ago when ambulances were on strike - her husband had an eye popping out and she had a dead dog at her feet. I have worked in a prison and in a mental hospital and I know about suicidal people. Nobody should be allowed to get on with it. We have a duty of care to prevent people trying to kill themselves. My mother is in sheltered accommodation after twice taking an overdose - she has panic attacks and cannot help it.
I apologise if what I said sounded insulting, but you have from time to time made insulting comments about people who are not white English living in Croydon, when everyone has a right to live here. Most of the rank and file coppers I speak to are very happy here in Croydon and they all say what an approachable fellow Mark Gore is. I have never heard anyone say anything against any senior officers at all, except for one Inspector, when they had all been used to his predecessor, although they seem to have changed their minds now. You are also wrong about my not having to deal with RTAs - I had to hold a woman who had blood gushing out of her eyes, nose and ears years ago when ambulances were on strike - her husband had an eye popping out and she had a dead dog at her feet. I have worked in a prison and in a mental hospital and I know about suicidal people. Nobody should be allowed to get on with it. We have a duty of care to prevent people trying to kill themselves. My mother is in sheltered accommodation after twice taking an overdose - she has panic attacks and cannot help it.
Posted by: Bob Peel, Croydon on 5:42pm Sun 18 May 08
Thank you Anne.
I have never made any comment concering the colour of a person's skin, rather I used the term 'unwanted human flotsam and jetsum washing up on our shores.'
I won't engage you about the right to live here, but you are totally wrong in what you state.
Well done on assisting at a crash; I'm also sorry about your mother, luckily Croydon is known for the quality of sheltered accomodation and caring staff.
Regarding senior officers; the entire system will get a boost if the present Commissioner leaves as is being predicted. Unfortunately its meant to happen in 2010, by which time it will be 5 years too late.
Thank you Anne.
I have never made any comment concering the colour of a person's skin, rather I used the term 'unwanted human flotsam and jetsum washing up on our shores.'
I won't engage you about the right to live here, but you are totally wrong in what you state.
Well done on assisting at a crash; I'm also sorry about your mother, luckily Croydon is known for the quality of sheltered accomodation and caring staff.
Regarding senior officers; the entire system will get a boost if the present Commissioner leaves as is being predicted. Unfortunately its meant to happen in 2010, by which time it will be 5 years too late.
Posted by: ANNE GILES, SELSDON on 9:22pm Sun 18 May 08
Thanks. We'll shake hands on that and will have to agree to differ on some of the other points. It is all part of the rich tapestry of life (this is after one glass of Chardonnay)!
Thanks. We'll shake hands on that and will have to agree to differ on some of the other points. It is all part of the rich tapestry of life (this is after one glass of Chardonnay)!
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